Building Beyond the Post: A Look Back on Season 1

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[00:00:30] Welcome back to Beyond the Post with Rob Dunwood and Bodie Grimm.

[00:00:40] I'm Rob Dunwood and I'm Bodie Grimm.

[00:00:43] And Bodie, normally I would have something scripted here.

[00:00:46] I would have something written out, something clever to say.

[00:00:51] But this is our wrap up episode for our season one of Beyond the Post.

[00:00:57] So I don't want to say that we're just kind of winging it, that we're just kind of going

[00:01:01] off the top of our head.

[00:01:03] But we're winging it and going off the top of our head.

[00:01:07] So how do you feel about our first episode or first episode?

[00:01:12] How do you feel about our first season of Beyond the Post?

[00:01:16] I am really proud of our first season.

[00:01:20] You know Rob, this is way back in October when I messaged you.

[00:01:25] I wasn't even sure you would say that you were going to get on the call with me.

[00:01:28] So from us to go from, I think it was like October, let's call it 15th to now, we have

[00:01:39] built something that I'm really proud of.

[00:01:41] What are your thoughts?

[00:01:42] I'm in the same way.

[00:01:44] And folks will listen and say, wow, you guys started doing this, working on this

[00:01:47] project back in October of last year.

[00:01:50] And we can get into that a little bit.

[00:01:52] We did.

[00:01:53] But Bodhi, you tell me if I'm off on this.

[00:01:55] I think that for probably the first three months, we didn't, two and a half, three

[00:02:02] months, we really weren't recording anything.

[00:02:04] I think a lot of what you and I were doing was honestly figuring out what we eventually

[00:02:09] wanted to create because we went through a few iterations and things changed a little

[00:02:13] bit.

[00:02:15] But also a big part of that is because you and I knew of each other.

[00:02:19] We had been on a show or two together.

[00:02:21] We had had a conversation here and there, but we really didn't know each other.

[00:02:25] And I think that a big part of, you know, I would say from the end, you know, the

[00:02:30] middle of October till towards the end of 2023, a lot of that was just you and

[00:02:34] I really getting to know each other and figuring out how we were going to

[00:02:39] ultimately put this show together.

[00:02:40] Rob and I really had never produced anything together.

[00:02:45] Like you said, we were on shows together, but that's not the same.

[00:02:47] Somebody else is producing that.

[00:02:49] Somebody else is coming up with the topics.

[00:02:51] And we are two people.

[00:02:53] We text, I'd say we text maybe once or twice a week and then we meet for like

[00:02:58] three hours on average, I'd say two, once a week.

[00:03:02] And that's our communication.

[00:03:03] So when we get together, we kind of have this, I don't know if we would

[00:03:07] call it a production meeting.

[00:03:08] It's more of a conversation of how we want the show to go.

[00:03:12] But yeah, it's been a lot of fun figuring out how you work and I've

[00:03:15] learned a lot from you.

[00:03:18] Yeah.

[00:03:18] I'm just really, I am really proud of this episode or not this episode, this

[00:03:23] season.

[00:03:24] And I hope that people have enjoyed it and I hope they take the time to

[00:03:29] email us and let us know what they would like to see from us.

[00:03:33] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:03:34] It is.

[00:03:36] I have learned a lot and it's here's the interesting part.

[00:03:40] You and I together have been podcasting for decades.

[00:03:43] We've been doing this a long time.

[00:03:46] Um, but the thing is this was, I believe a very different type of show

[00:03:53] for each of us where almost all the shows that I have done have been

[00:03:58] very, very specifically tech focused, not a particular tech focus, but

[00:04:04] they've all been about tech.

[00:04:06] I can talk about tech right off the top of my head.

[00:04:08] I have not been a big interviewer of people on shows now over

[00:04:12] the years.

[00:04:13] I have done many dozens of interviews, but I've never had a show

[00:04:18] that you would say is an interview show because my interviews come

[00:04:21] relatively far in fuel in between for the most part.

[00:04:25] That is something that is different to where darn near every other episode.

[00:04:29] We're bringing you an interview where the goal for us is to get

[00:04:35] some really, really good nuggets out of the interviewee that is

[00:04:39] going to be beneficial to our listeners and that's something different.

[00:04:42] So is I have learned a lot about just pacing and how to have a

[00:04:47] conversation and allowing there to be uncomfortable silence at times to get

[00:04:52] that good, that good sound bite.

[00:04:55] Um, it's, it's, it's been, it's been really interesting and I'm,

[00:04:58] I'm excited for when we move into season two.

[00:05:01] Absolutely.

[00:05:02] And one of the things that I did not realize was unusual and Angela

[00:05:06] Hollowell actually pointed this out.

[00:05:07] She said the, it's not normal for two hosts to be interviewing one person.

[00:05:13] And I had not really thought about that because a lot of the podcasts I listen

[00:05:17] to daily tech news show being one is they have, there's a kind of an

[00:05:20] interviewee segment in there that that's, that's kind of a little bit of

[00:05:23] that and that's kind of what I was going for when I, when I was thinking

[00:05:27] about you and I interviewing somebody just kind of tag team it from

[00:05:29] different perspectives.

[00:05:31] Um, but yeah, when I, when I started looking around, I was like,

[00:05:35] there's, there really isn't very many podcasts out there that are

[00:05:38] interviewing, um, people who are experts in their field, but there's,

[00:05:44] there's two hosts, you know, there's two interviewers.

[00:05:47] It's a, it's a little bit of an usual, it's only like a one on one

[00:05:50] type of thing or a group of folks that are in that conversation.

[00:05:55] Yeah.

[00:05:56] There are some and there are some who actually do it relatively well.

[00:06:01] And I think a lot of times as I'm watching content being created,

[00:06:06] I take for granted the level of skill that someone may have.

[00:06:11] I now have a new respect for shows that ultimately have multiple hosts

[00:06:17] when they're doing interviews, because that is it is significantly

[00:06:21] more difficult to do simply because it's not just you having a

[00:06:25] conversation with your guest.

[00:06:27] It is you and your host having a conversation with a guest in some

[00:06:32] cases with multiple guests.

[00:06:34] And the host of the show have to actually be in some pataco to make

[00:06:39] sure that they are asking the right questions or they're not stepping

[00:06:42] over each other, that they're allowing to have court, court correction

[00:06:48] in real time because someone may have said something that we need

[00:06:52] to dig into more.

[00:06:53] And as I said, even though you and I have been doing this thing

[00:06:57] called podcasting for a long, long time, it's a new skill set.

[00:07:01] So there's there's new muscle memory that we had to build.

[00:07:05] There's new, you know, there's new skills that we had to acquire.

[00:07:09] And I'm better for it.

[00:07:11] I absolutely had a blast doing this.

[00:07:14] Bodie, what would you say is one of the big takeaways

[00:07:19] from season one of Beyond The Post?

[00:07:21] You know, what did you learn about just creating the show

[00:07:25] that you may not have known that you were going to learn

[00:07:28] before we created the show?

[00:07:30] Well, I mean, I even though I'd done several podcasts before this,

[00:07:35] I kind of fell into that trap of, oh, well, we're two,

[00:07:40] we'll call us mature podcasters.

[00:07:43] We'll be able to do this, this and this pretty easily.

[00:07:47] And maybe we'll have some challenges with this.

[00:07:48] Like you said that when you're interviewing somebody,

[00:07:51] you don't want to step on the other person's toes, right?

[00:07:55] And we still want to get that interview.

[00:07:56] And one of the things I think we do really good,

[00:07:58] and I don't know if this is right for everybody,

[00:08:01] is that we don't have like, hey, you're leading this interview,

[00:08:04] you're I'm leading this interview, whatever.

[00:08:05] We don't have that discussion.

[00:08:07] We just we ask questions.

[00:08:09] And if somebody asks a question that's not in the script,

[00:08:11] but that's fine, we can play off of that.

[00:08:13] And I think in season two and hopefully further seasons,

[00:08:16] we'll be able to do more of that because it is a learning process.

[00:08:21] But the pre-production stuff that we have to do to get ready.

[00:08:26] I was not quite prepared for that.

[00:08:29] But that is a lot of like you said earlier,

[00:08:32] learning how we are going to how each of us works

[00:08:36] and then bringing that together.

[00:08:38] And I think it's been we've been fairly successful

[00:08:40] in terms of we really haven't had a lot of disagreements.

[00:08:43] And then as far as post-production goes, I told you

[00:08:47] I told you at the very beginning, you're like, hey,

[00:08:49] that sounds like a lot of work post-production.

[00:08:51] I said, no, no, no, I love doing editing video.

[00:08:55] I'm going to do that.

[00:08:56] And you're like, OK, cool.

[00:08:58] And it is a lot of work for a standard episode.

[00:09:02] It's about three hours of editing on my side.

[00:09:04] And I love every minute of it.

[00:09:07] One of the things that I did learn, though, is that.

[00:09:10] You have to really I have a pretty good laptop.

[00:09:13] It's a twenty twenty three M2 MacBook Pro.

[00:09:18] You have to give yourself some time

[00:09:20] for spinning those episodes out.

[00:09:23] You have to give yourself a lot of space

[00:09:25] in terms of hard drive space.

[00:09:26] I have a terabyte drive.

[00:09:28] I thought, oh, that's that's enough.

[00:09:29] I can edit one episode at a time and then take those files

[00:09:33] and move them to a external hard drive when I'm done editing them.

[00:09:38] And not really.

[00:09:41] It's those files eat up a lot of your space really quick.

[00:09:45] So I had to buy a new drive that was really fast.

[00:09:49] I think it was 2000 megabits per second

[00:09:53] in order for me to make the editing work for this.

[00:09:58] So it's just like the whole experience of

[00:10:02] of the the post production side of things.

[00:10:06] I was a little off guard.

[00:10:08] I caught off guard just a little bit.

[00:10:10] The if this was just audio, which is what I'm used to doing,

[00:10:14] it would not take it wouldn't take half that time.

[00:10:17] I'm pretty fast at editing audio.

[00:10:20] But the video that was a challenge for sure,

[00:10:24] but it's a good challenge.

[00:10:26] What about you, Rob?

[00:10:28] One of the big takeaways that I have from season one

[00:10:32] and this is, as I said, I've been podcasting for a long time.

[00:10:37] But I had to learn something about myself

[00:10:41] is that you have to keep the main thing the main thing.

[00:10:44] I get very easily distracted by bubbles and butterflies

[00:10:50] and birds chirping and flying around.

[00:10:53] And let's do this.

[00:10:54] Let's add this.

[00:10:55] And there's there's 19 different things

[00:10:58] that I would like to be able to do for beyond the post.

[00:11:03] But at the end of the day, it's like, well, what do we really need to do?

[00:11:06] We really need to sit down and storyboard out

[00:11:09] our conversations for one half with other folks.

[00:11:12] We need to run down the conversations we're having between ourselves

[00:11:16] and we need to record episodes and ultimately get them edited and put them out.

[00:11:20] And everything else is almost tertiary to that.

[00:11:25] Now, there's some very, very important things that we want to get done.

[00:11:28] But I think at some point it was almost like drinking from a fire hose

[00:11:34] because we want to have a website that rivals McDonald's or Coca-Cola.

[00:11:39] We want to have email newsletters.

[00:11:41] We want to have membership systems on the back end.

[00:11:45] We want to do all of these things.

[00:11:47] And really at the end of the day, what did we essentially need to get done?

[00:11:52] We need to create content and put it out there so that people could listen to it

[00:11:57] because we could have spent another two months working on building a membership platform.

[00:12:02] But if no one actually is hearing content from us to say, oh, you know what?

[00:12:06] Let's go join that membership platform.

[00:12:08] The membership platform actually makes sense to put that early in your process.

[00:12:13] Now, when I say that, I'm not saying that you should not plan

[00:12:16] and you should not do things before you're ready for them.

[00:12:20] I am a big fan of being prepared for opportunities

[00:12:24] that aren't necessarily presenting themselves to you right when you are preparing for them.

[00:12:30] That's just called being ready.

[00:12:31] I like to stay ready so I don't have to get ready.

[00:12:34] But in that vein, sometimes you just have to say,

[00:12:37] we're going to put this on the back burner.

[00:12:38] Let's get these episodes recorded.

[00:12:40] Let's get these episodes edited.

[00:12:42] Let's get these episodes posted up and let's get start getting feedback on the episodes.

[00:12:46] And then we can move into some of those other things.

[00:12:49] So I think that this one is interesting to me

[00:12:52] because I do, Bodhi, talk to a lot of people specifically about starting podcasts

[00:12:57] and the thing that I tell them regularly is like

[00:13:02] keep the main thing to main thing.

[00:13:04] And I recognize that even though you and I are going through it,

[00:13:07] even though you and I have a level of expertise in this thing called podcasting,

[00:13:11] we kind of still had to do that.

[00:13:15] Yeah, you know what, Rob, when you were talking, what I could picture was

[00:13:20] in when I was in high school, I was a lifeguard.

[00:13:23] So you had to tread water with a brick above your head

[00:13:26] for a certain amount of time, right?

[00:13:28] And if you couldn't do that, you couldn't be a lifeguard.

[00:13:30] So that was one of the tests that you had to do.

[00:13:32] What you and I were doing was it felt like treading water with a Toyota above our head.

[00:13:38] And we kept we kept making little changes over the time frame

[00:13:42] because we started recording episodes kind of in January, December of 2023.

[00:13:47] But we really started recording episodes starting in January and February.

[00:13:51] We did a lot in that time frame.

[00:13:54] But we slowly started to realize, hey, we need to remove this from the scenario.

[00:13:59] And eventually, I think we made our way down to like a cinder block and not a brick.

[00:14:04] And but I think in season two, I think we'll have a brick in season three.

[00:14:07] We won't be holding anything above our heads at all.

[00:14:10] We'll just be treading water.

[00:14:12] And here's what's true.

[00:14:15] Even when you're starting something new,

[00:14:18] you have to go through it.

[00:14:20] You have to go through the growing pains of the new thing

[00:14:24] to figure out what ultimately works, what doesn't work

[00:14:27] and how you're going to and how you're going to move forward.

[00:14:30] So, you know, we are a podcast.

[00:14:33] We are also a YouTube channel.

[00:14:36] And that is very different for me.

[00:14:38] Now, I would say almost every single podcast that I record

[00:14:42] also has a video component on it.

[00:14:45] But in most cases, in fact, in all but one case

[00:14:48] and now with Beyond the Post and all but two cases,

[00:14:52] the video component is just additive stuff.

[00:14:54] It's not like we're doing anything specifically, in my case,

[00:14:58] for people who are watching on YouTube.

[00:15:01] It's just that if you just happen to be on YouTube

[00:15:03] and you would like to listen to people talk in a way that

[00:15:07] regardless of whether you watch it or not,

[00:15:09] if you just listen to it, you'll get the same level of content.

[00:15:12] That's what I've always done.

[00:15:14] So for me, it is very different to where we have to be intentional

[00:15:17] about things that we want to make pop out on video.

[00:15:20] And and once again, I I give you kudos for that editing effort

[00:15:25] because that's just not me. That is not you.

[00:15:27] You tell me regularly, Rob, this is not work for me.

[00:15:30] I absolutely enjoy doing this.

[00:15:33] And I would imagine there's probably some things that I do

[00:15:35] that you probably would cringe at, you know, as well.

[00:15:38] But I'm glad that I actually have a partner in this

[00:15:41] that enjoys doing some of the things that I don't enjoy doing.

[00:15:45] What that experience though is doing for me is that, you know what?

[00:15:49] It's not as bad as I thought.

[00:15:50] So I've bought new lights.

[00:15:53] I've, you know, I've ordered a new camera.

[00:15:57] I'm doing other things so that I can help the world by not

[00:16:02] showing up in front of them with this ugly mug and not trying to do anything

[00:16:05] to make it look better.

[00:16:08] Yeah. And I will say the the the moment.

[00:16:11] And I think I've said this somewhere along the tongue lines that we

[00:16:15] I don't know if it was recorded into a podcast or if we were just talking

[00:16:18] about it or one of our practice podcasts.

[00:16:20] But the moment you sent me, you're like, Hey, here's the intro for this.

[00:16:25] I think with Sierra Maria's episode.

[00:16:27] Here's the intro for Sierra Maria's episode.

[00:16:30] Like we didn't have a discussion about you doing that.

[00:16:33] We didn't have a discussion about we didn't have a discussion about anything.

[00:16:36] You just sent it to me and I was like, this is perfect.

[00:16:40] That kind of thing is having somebody that can look ahead as a as a partner

[00:16:44] and say, these are the things that need to get done.

[00:16:48] Without a content calendar, which was you know, spoiler, we're going to talk

[00:16:52] about content calendars and seeds in two.

[00:16:54] But without a content calendar, we just had like Rob just knew this is what

[00:16:59] need to get done.

[00:17:00] And he just got it done.

[00:17:02] We didn't have any discussion about it or anything like that.

[00:17:04] So that that makes a world of difference.

[00:17:06] If you're going to do this with somebody else is you can't be

[00:17:10] one person just constantly beating themselves up and doing all the work.

[00:17:14] And I know that that happens in a lot of cases where one person is more

[00:17:17] passionate about it than another because this is hard work.

[00:17:22] And if you're doing it all by yourself, it's just not going to work very well.

[00:17:26] You're just going to have a hard time with it.

[00:17:28] Yeah, there is there is a there's a metric and on his face, it sounds kind of horrible

[00:17:34] that one out of 10 podcast make it beyond episode three.

[00:17:41] Just just one out of ten and only one out of a hundred

[00:17:46] podcast make it beyond episode 20.

[00:17:49] Now, we're not the episode 20 yet, but we definitely got past episode three.

[00:17:52] So I think that we're, you know, we are in the clear there.

[00:17:56] But one of the reasons I believe that so many podcasts

[00:18:02] just fizzle out they pod fade by the third time or the fourth time

[00:18:07] they do a recording is because it is a lot of work and maybe

[00:18:12] the amount of work that goes into not just making a podcast,

[00:18:16] but making a good podcast, making a podcast that is actually worth

[00:18:19] the time and attention that people pay to it.

[00:18:21] I believe that that is a lot harder than I think a lot of people bargain for.

[00:18:28] And, you know, just, you know, just having a partner

[00:18:32] that you can share some of that load with makes things so much easier.

[00:18:38] I've had so many ideas for shows that I wanted to start.

[00:18:41] And it's just like, I still don't have time to do it.

[00:18:43] I don't have the time to do all these things.

[00:18:45] But when you work with, you know, other folks who have a skill set,

[00:18:49] it's like, oh, I can handle that.

[00:18:50] Oh, I can handle that and you can start to, you know,

[00:18:54] divvy up some of those responsibilities.

[00:18:56] It just makes getting through the thing a little easier

[00:18:59] because honestly, in the beginning, it is, it, you know,

[00:19:03] I don't want to say it's a grind, but you are grinding

[00:19:06] to get to the point where you're running smoothly.

[00:19:09] And I think you and I both would say it is much easier doing episode

[00:19:14] seven hundred and seventy two than it is doing episodes two to seven.

[00:19:19] You just you just get into a group.

[00:19:21] There are shows that literally I have done that have thousands of episodes

[00:19:25] and can almost turn the mic on, have a clue about what I want to talk about.

[00:19:31] And that episode looks like it is, you know, it's like a finely run machine.

[00:19:36] And it's just it's just muscle memory.

[00:19:38] So I'm excited for us to actually get to the point where we've got muscle memory

[00:19:42] to where things are just happening and they just they're just clicking,

[00:19:46] just clicking like that.

[00:19:47] And I think we're getting there.

[00:19:49] This episode right here is a good example of that

[00:19:52] because we started writing a script and you said, you know what?

[00:19:57] Let's keep this conversational.

[00:19:59] And I was like, great, we don't have a script.

[00:20:02] We had I was going to talk about editing.

[00:20:05] You were going to talk about building too fast.

[00:20:07] That was our script.

[00:20:09] That was it.

[00:20:10] And I don't know, we filled like 20 some minutes of information

[00:20:14] just based off of that.

[00:20:16] Maybe at this point, Rob, maybe we could just kind of summarize real quick

[00:20:21] what we learned to just kind of like you said, say it, say it again.

[00:20:25] Say it one more time. Right?

[00:20:27] Let's summarize what we learned.

[00:20:28] Let's tell folks what we're going to tell them, then we tell them

[00:20:31] and then we tell them what we told them.

[00:20:32] So let's let's I think we're at the let's tell them what we told them

[00:20:35] part of the conversation at this point.

[00:20:37] You want to start or you want me to go first?

[00:20:40] You know what? I'll start because I think I kind of I think I know

[00:20:44] where you're going to go and I think it's your your wrap up is going

[00:20:48] to be better than mine.

[00:20:50] So editing, if you're going to edit and produce a show

[00:20:54] playing your show out to include how much time you need to edit,

[00:20:59] make sure you have those hard drives because I'm going to be honest with you.

[00:21:02] I was recording or I was editing at work and I ran out of hard drive space

[00:21:07] on my laptop and I was like, shoot, everything's closed.

[00:21:10] It's like 11 o'clock at night.

[00:21:13] I was able to get a hard drive the next morning from Best Buy.

[00:21:17] But like you want to make sure you have everything in place because

[00:21:22] when you were when you're doing your edits, when you're when you're

[00:21:24] doing your planning of your show, you don't want something like

[00:21:28] running out of hard drive space to trip you up.

[00:21:31] And then

[00:21:34] I've said this before, but find a good partner.

[00:21:37] You don't have to have a host.

[00:21:39] You can find a partner that doesn't want to be on camera,

[00:21:41] but would love to produce your show and work on that together.

[00:21:45] Find somebody that you can bounce things off of, build a community.

[00:21:49] I think that's going to make you a better

[00:21:51] podcaster versus staying siloed in your own little world.

[00:21:57] Because we've said this before, it is very lonely to create content.

[00:22:02] And sometimes it's very negative when you create content

[00:22:05] because you got a lot of haters out there that look at what you do

[00:22:07] on your first time and they don't give you any slack.

[00:22:10] They tell you immediately that sucks.

[00:22:12] So build your build your community, whether they're creators

[00:22:16] or whether they're listeners, build your community and get that support system.

[00:22:20] I will piggyback off of that.

[00:22:22] I will absolutely co-sign that.

[00:22:24] I think there's a saying that if you want to go fast, go alone.

[00:22:27] If you want to go far, go with someone else.

[00:22:29] And that applies here.

[00:22:31] Now, I'm not saying that every podcaster has to have a team of seven

[00:22:35] in order to produce and edit and get a show out.

[00:22:38] But particularly if it's like your first show,

[00:22:42] if it is something that you're doing for the first time,

[00:22:46] just having someone else to bounce ideas off of

[00:22:50] is a very, very good thing to have.

[00:22:54] So even if you are a solo podcaster, get yourself into a community.

[00:22:59] Find people that are doing similar things to what you're doing

[00:23:03] so that you can just ask questions.

[00:23:05] You can just bounce ideas off someone.

[00:23:07] You can say, hey, this is what I'm thinking.

[00:23:09] What do you think and actually get some additional feedback

[00:23:12] before you go and just do things all on your own?

[00:23:15] Because it can be it can be very lonely when you're just going by yourself.

[00:23:20] So I will definitely co-sign that.

[00:23:23] And then I'll just wrap up with this because one of the benefits,

[00:23:26] Bodhi, that you and I had is that we both have done many, many, many,

[00:23:30] many, many, many, many episodes of podcast before.

[00:23:33] So we kind of know how the actual podcasting or just the tips

[00:23:38] and tricks and all the things like that, we've done them.

[00:23:41] These are things that we've come to.

[00:23:43] I know that a lot of our listeners are doing this in the

[00:23:48] they're in the beginning stages.

[00:23:49] Maybe you've only recorded a couple of episodes.

[00:23:51] Maybe you haven't even recorded yet.

[00:23:52] You've just decided this is something that you want to do.

[00:23:55] And I just say, give yourself some grace because you will not be as good

[00:24:00] as Larry King on your first episode.

[00:24:02] It is it is impossible.

[00:24:04] You're not going to be that good of an interviewer.

[00:24:06] You're not going to be out there doing David Letterman style interviews

[00:24:10] day one.

[00:24:11] And if that is the standard that you hold yourself to,

[00:24:14] you end up getting to the point where you never release anything.

[00:24:17] So, you know, I absolutely enjoyed our first episode.

[00:24:23] I enjoyed our first season, but I think that it's only going to get better from here.

[00:24:28] And that's just because Bodie and I are going to get more used to each other.

[00:24:31] We're going to actually have more ideas about what makes a good interview.

[00:24:36] And the only way for us to get to that is just to simply just get through it.

[00:24:40] So I hope if there's anything that you've taken away from season one,

[00:24:43] it is that you don't have to go it alone, even if you are a solo

[00:24:48] podcaster, even if you're our solo creator, if you're writing by yourself,

[00:24:51] you don't have to go it alone.

[00:24:53] Find a community of other people who are doing similar things and bounce ideas

[00:24:57] off of them. And then once you do it, give yourself some grace.

[00:25:00] Just make sure that you are allowing yourself to grow.

[00:25:05] You're not going to be as good day one as you're going to be good day

[00:25:08] one hundred and one.

[00:25:09] So if you can literally get one percent better every time you record

[00:25:13] and you record, let's just say you record an episode or two a week.

[00:25:17] So you're going to have 50 to 100 episodes at the end of the year.

[00:25:19] If you if you don't take any breaks, if you get one percent better

[00:25:22] every time you do something, you're going to be a heck of a lot better

[00:25:26] at the end of that year than you were when you started.

[00:25:30] Yes. And I to your point of find yourself some podcasters

[00:25:35] or or content creators, there are communities in almost every city

[00:25:40] of of any reasonable size like I grew up in Nicosia, Alaska.

[00:25:43] There's probably not much of a community of podcasters there.

[00:25:47] You might get one or two, but there is a there are there get-togethers

[00:25:50] if you go on Facebook or some of these other sites that I'm blanking on.

[00:25:56] But there are get-togethers or groups where you can go and have coffee

[00:25:59] or have a beer and you can talk about this stuff.

[00:26:01] I've done it here in Phoenix and it's a good time.

[00:26:04] So you could definitely do that if you are just starting out

[00:26:07] and you know no one and you you need a hand or you need a community.

[00:26:12] And you can also email Rob and I because one of the things

[00:26:15] Allison Sheridan said is she's like, hey, this is a really good show.

[00:26:18] I really enjoy you guys talking together.

[00:26:20] What is what is your email?

[00:26:21] How do I contact you?

[00:26:23] And I was like, that is a really good point, Allison.

[00:26:25] We've already recorded all of our episodes, so I can't just throw that in there.

[00:26:29] So we might as well put it in there in this episode.

[00:26:32] But my email is bodeye at beyondthepost.fm

[00:26:38] and Rob's email is good, Rob.

[00:26:41] Rob, it is R-O-B-S-N-B-B-S-N-B-O-I at beyondthepost.fm

[00:26:48] and Bode, you talked about communities.

[00:26:50] You know what else we're doing?

[00:26:51] We're creating a community right here at Beyond the Post.

[00:26:55] So if anyone is interested in, you know, I don't know who to talk to.

[00:26:59] You can talk to us.

[00:27:00] We are building a community here and at some point we expect this community to

[00:27:05] be thriving full of members to where it's not just you asking questions of me and

[00:27:08] Bode, it's you asking questions of other members of the community.

[00:27:11] That's that's that's when community really starts to happen.

[00:27:13] When you actually get community members that are talking amongst themselves.

[00:27:17] So that is that is a goal that we have for Beyond the Post as we move into

[00:27:22] our second season.

[00:27:24] And so once again, if you are interested in that, just, you know,

[00:27:28] just hit us up on, you know, beyondthepost.fm forward slash Patreon and that is

[00:27:34] where we are initially building our community.

[00:27:37] Once again, that is beyondthepost.fm forward slash Patreon.

[00:27:42] Excellent.

[00:27:43] There's only one more thing, Rob, because this is our, this is a seasonal show.

[00:27:47] You know, there has come to an end now.

[00:27:53] When does season season two start?

[00:27:55] I believe that you and I are going to be starting around the beginning of July.

[00:28:00] So we're going to give ourselves a little bit of a break.

[00:28:04] You and I both have some vacations coming up and they're going to get back

[00:28:08] to it around the first week of July.

[00:28:11] Yes.

[00:28:11] The first week of July, the first Wednesday in July is July 3rd because

[00:28:15] I wrote down July 1st.

[00:28:16] That would be incorrect.

[00:28:17] July 3rd is the date that we will start that releasing new episodes.

[00:28:22] Release a new episodes in season two.

[00:28:24] The plan is for it to be a little bit longer than season one and season three

[00:28:28] will be a little bit longer than season two.

[00:28:30] So yeah, I know that works out.

[00:28:32] I'm excited about it.

[00:28:33] And this is one of the things that I will say is very different for me.

[00:28:37] You and I, this is the magic of editing and how things come out.

[00:28:42] Not so much in real time.

[00:28:44] We've already started working on season two.

[00:28:46] We have for me because most of my stuff is news driven.

[00:28:50] I can't start talking about stuff in the, you know, towards the end of

[00:28:56] April that are coming out in the beginning, you know, beginning of July

[00:28:59] months later because today's news is not going to be what's going to be

[00:29:03] in July's news.

[00:29:04] That is something that I am truly enjoying about this type of show

[00:29:10] to where we recorded and just to give you some insights, our

[00:29:16] episodes aren't even necessarily recorded in order.

[00:29:19] So this is truly the last episode, Bodhi and I recording for season one.

[00:29:25] But when you go from episode one through this episode, they are not

[00:29:29] recorded in the order in which you hear them.

[00:29:32] And that is the magic of editing and release schedules.

[00:29:36] It is a beautiful thing.

[00:29:39] It absolutely is.

[00:29:40] Absolutely is.

[00:29:41] All right, Rob, I think we have covered our season one wrap up

[00:29:46] wonderfully.

[00:29:48] So I think we need to go ahead and end this so we can start working on season

[00:29:54] two. Absolutely.

[00:29:55] So until we highlight you again, come check us out at beyondthepost.fm

[00:30:02] and we'll talk to you in July.

[00:30:05] Take care, everybody.