Exploring the Ford Explorer EV with Bart Busschots

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Hello everyone and welcome to Kilowatt a podcast about Electric Vehicles, Renewable Energy,

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Autonomous Driving and much, much more.

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_01]: My name is Bodhi and I am your host and on today's episode we are going to talk once again

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_01]: to Bart Busschots.

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Bart was lucky enough to drive the Ford Explorer EV.

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Now we mentioned this in the interview but we don't have the Ford Explorer EV here in

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_01]: the US.

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Despite the fact that the Ford Explorer is a super popular vehicle here in the United States.

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Now just in case you are not familiar with this series that we've been doing with Bart since

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_01]: the beginning of the year, Bart lives in Ireland.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_01]: He's been looking for a new vehicle to replace his Model 3.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_01]: He has narrowed his search down to the Polestar 3.

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_01]: The Volkswagen ID 7 and the Ford Capri, which the Ford Capri isn't even out yet but the

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Ford Explorer EV has a lot of the same features and they share the same or similar

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: design language.

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So what Bart decided he was going to do is he's going to go and he's going to test drive

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: the Ford Explorer EV and he was going to see if he liked it so that he would know,

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, get a little bit of a glimpse into what the Ford Capri would be like which

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_01]: would be a smaller vehicle.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Bart compares the Explorer EV and the Ford Capri kind of in, you know, they compare to

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_01]: the Model Y in the Model 3 in the interview.

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[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Hi, buddy.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Seems like only yesterday I was here.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what?

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm okay with making this into a monthly thing if you are.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_01]: It's nice, it's nice to chat, it's nice to chat and see like there's light outside

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_01]: your window because normally it's midnight your time and today it's six so you still

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: got some of your evening left on Sunday here.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I do, yes.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, it's not quite far enough into autumn the clocks have changed and rubbed us

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_03]: of all of our own.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So unlike, yes, it's so bright.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we are here because Bart you decided that you wanted to test drive the Ford

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Explorer EV which when Americans here for to explore, you know, that is a, that is a staple

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_01]: here in the United States.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But is a EV version?

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, the Ford explorers are everywhere here.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: But the EV version is only in Europe.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So you decided to do test drive and we're going to talk about that today.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I test drove it because I don't want to buy it.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it could sound silly.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So let me, so the car I want is also not available to you guys.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_03]: It is the EV version of the Ford Capri which was a 1970s icon in Europe.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_03]: It was basically a family car that was also the sports car.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So there was a Ford or sports coupe.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_03]: It was, it had this amazing, really long bonnet.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_03]: It's this gorgeous gorgeous car.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I always adore them as a kid.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And I went away.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess they're just wasn't a Capri anymore after the early 80s.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And they've revived the brand as an EV and they've made it an affordable EV that in

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_03]: terms of sort of, sort of size and shape and everything.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_03]: It's very much a competitor to the Polestar 2 and the Tesla Model 3.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And as soon as I saw the answer, I wonder what this is.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to have a go in this.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And the platform is identical to the Ford Explorer and the two cars are being

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_03]: released within a few months of each other but the Explorer is going first.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So the Explorer arrived in our dealership this week.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I told Ford about a month ago, as soon as you get one of these cars into Ireland, I want

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_03]: to drive it and though we'll be held, I got a phone call.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, we have one of these cars.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to drive it, miss it?

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I do.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And so the dealer knows why I was driving the Explorer and I asked the dealer.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_03]: So how similar is this?

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And he said, so you know the way the Model 3 and the Model Y are basically when you

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_03]: get into them, you need to take a second look to make sure you're in the right one.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's what the Explorer and the Capri are like.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_03]: They really are a toll version and a sporty version of the same car.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, this is a good test.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And for release, so there was a teaser video last time I was talking to you which was

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_03]: very much like a movie trailer.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_03]: It was quick cut, quick cut, quick cut, fancy lighting, car racing, going on corner, looking

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_03]: cool but you couldn't really see the car other than, hey, that's cool.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But they released like a six minute interview with the designers and they gave you

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_03]: a guided tour of the car and you could actually see the insides and you could actually

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_03]: see the outside and they explained all of the detailing and where the inspiration came from.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And I got into the Explorer and I immediately felt like I was in the video about the Capri

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_03]: because the interior looks identical as best as I can tell.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_03]: So it was actually a very good comparison which is great.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_03]: That was my first bit of deja vu.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like wow, this looks just like the video even though I'm a pie and when it's the

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_03]: pre of it, I'll be down low but yeah.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_03]: So look at the same car.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_01]: How big is it when you compare it maybe to a model Y?

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it bigger as a smaller?

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Because a four-explore here is not a small car.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I do think it's like five or six seats depending on the setup.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, okay so this was definitely five.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_03]: There was no sign of a seven.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I would say this was not a no bigger than a model Y.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_03]: The Explorer.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah because the one I'm looking at on four-ed to website is maximum seven seating

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_01]: seven seats which is you know it's a big that's a big vehicle.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I would say go to ford.ie and the very first thing that will show you in your face.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_03]: They have it at the very top of their webpage is the European version of the Explorer

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm very curious to see if you recognize it as anything like what you guys have but I think

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_03]: it won't be.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's more futuristic version of what we have here for the United States and I would also say

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_01]: it has a little bit of that EV or the Hyundai.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_01]: No, that's the EV nine.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_03]: The EV nine, yeah you're right.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_03]: It's way smaller than an EV nine but your absolute right it has it's very reminiscent

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_03]: that it's front of the EV nine.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Also kind of reminds me though of the F 150 lightning just the way I had lightning out and stuff.

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But smaller, like way smaller than lightning.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah it's it's got it definitely takes some of that design language and moves it over

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_01]: but it still its own down.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_03]: It is its own thing and the Capri is like if you see the Capri in profile

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_03]: it's like a pulsar too where someone rounded all the corners and made it a bit softer.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And so you take the basic body shape of the pulsar too and the design language of the Explorer

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_03]: and you mush them together and you get the Capri.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can see that.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Capri and this isn't an insult by any search of the imagination but the Capri is a

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: little bit of like wallet.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Like in the front it looks kind of businessy but as you come around the car

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_01]: it gets sportier but if you're looking at it dead on from the headlights back

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_01]: if you're standing direct in front.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It looks a little businessy but then as you come around the car you get more sporty.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Especially it's kind of got that wide stance or look of wide stance in the back.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah and well one of the things they focused on a lot is sort of the shape of the headlights

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_03]: and stuff to match the older design language so that black bar between the headlights

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_03]: front and back is very in keeping with the old design language of the original Capri.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_03]: That was a real feature.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the original grille for sure.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And also the split headlights so front and rear they're both their split headlights.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Two pairs of the front above each other and at the back it's the same.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Well I kind of wish they'd carried over from the Capri which they didn't.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_03]: If the original Capri had a very distinctive rise in the middle of the bonnet to make room for

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_03]: great big engine they shoved into it.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of wish they'd kept a hint of that in the design language of the EV version obviously it would

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_03]: be pointless so it'd just be slightly more room at the front or something but I don't know

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I would like to like to see that bit of the design language come through but nonetheless,

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I like the Polesare 2's look and this I like more.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like a refined version of that body shape.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm very happy with it.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'll be honest with you the explorer,

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I could live with the explorer like if for some reason for cancelled the Capri,

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't object to the explorer.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It's actually a nice car but I did review it with the intention of not buying it so the dealer

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_03]: skipped over the stuff that isn't in common.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So the dealer focused when giving me a tour of the car on what is the same and so we didn't spend time

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_03]: in the boat instead or sorry the trunk as you guys would say and so if because that's going to be different

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_03]: in the Capri. So I'm coming back when the Capri comes into stock and they have a date it is November

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_03]: but it went, it was added to their tracking system on Thursday this week

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_03]: and it now shows as in the factory in Germany so the Capri's are on the production line in Germany

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_03]: and then he will see them progress from the production line to shipping to Ireland and then he'll

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_03]: so unlike Polestar these cars are real they're not vaporware that Capri is it may be a

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_03]: buddy shell with two wheels attached to that this day I don't know but it's it's coming

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_01]: it's really on the way which is nice. And we should say it the Polestar isn't vaporware it's just

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: the model that they promised you isn't coming to Ireland at the moment.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah exactly so they they have had a model for a couple of years now and it's not a bad car

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's front wheel drive and has quite low range compared to the new model which is real wheel drive

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_03]: and has 600 plus kilometer range and there's a really nice improvement in what they have

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_03]: but you you theorized last time it was because of the steering wheel being on the Irish side

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe that's why but either way they won't they don't have the car and they keep on

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_03]: they keep on changing the date first it was March then it was August now they're talking December

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_03]: and maybe Q1 2025 it was like oh hang on you know so anyway at least these guys have a date right

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah the deal is very clear no no no this is coming in November no fapping of biated

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_03]: isn't the factory now what we'll be hearing November I say okay thank you and let's give

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_01]: a little bit of credit to your dealer for not trying to sell you the Ford Explorer because that's

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: one of the US dealers do they're like hey we got this you want to come take a look at it totally

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_01]: understand you don't want to buy this this car I totally understand hey we got one in blue you

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_01]: like blue right we have one in blue you can only today that's how that would be here in the US

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_02]: the Capri is more expensive okay I did not know that what are the things that's why more like

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_03]: for those so basically when I spec them up the way I want them which is sort of jacking it all the way

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_03]: up I end up at about 60 thousand for the Capri and 55 thousand for the Explorer

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_03]: on my budget is 50 to 70 so even the Capri with literally all the bells and whistles

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_03]: that I could possibly want panoramic roof the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_03]: tune gallery is still 10th you know it's in the middle of my budget between 50 and 70 so 60 is

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah sweet spot yeah and the 87 was a little above right when you had it's the 87

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_03]: if I if I took out the roof and the things I kind of want I could make it just fit at 69

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_03]: 90 something like a crazy and if I put on the roof and the things I really wanted it would go to 72

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah that's fair that's fair okay so let's talk about the your driving experience in the

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Explorer well so the first thing is I got in and I immediately went oh I recognize this this is

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_03]: like the video but also it's very like the polls are too and I wonder if that's because they're all

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_03]: once the inside of a car to be because it's a very large port-trade center console display

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_03]: like a big iPad yeah this is like an iPad pro at this stage that's sitting there in that middle

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_03]: center console and then you have a clutter free nice dashboard with the a piece behind the

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_03]: steering wheel for the basics it's not a lot of information there but it's you know how fast you're

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_03]: allowed to go and what the next directions are in your turn by turn which is sufficient I think

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_03]: may also have media there if you're playing media I don't know I didn't play media well in the

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_03]: test drive but it's the basics but it's right there in front of you and then you have buttons on

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_03]: the steering wheel more than on the Tesla but not obnoxiously many and there's one or two buttons

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_03]: together nice to the right you know between the steering wheel and the door no button bar

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_03]: very tasteful very nicey laid out very reminiscent of the pollster but I also got massive

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_03]: deja vu because it's exactly like the ID seven so the ID seven you have a little dashboard behind

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_03]: the steering wheel and I head up the display and the forward you have the little dashboard behind

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_03]: steering wheel and head up the display and on the ID seven you have the buttons on the steering wheel

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_03]: and on the forward you have the buttons on the steering wheel and not just is that the same

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_03]: but the information in those two places is exactly the same the button layer is identical

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_03]: and so are the icons and I really for a moment found myself looking at the center of the steering wheel

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm moving now blue oval says forward so let's circle what I felt at home I guess is

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I know what this is right I know all the buttons do because I just learned how to do this

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_03]: in the ID seven so I guess that's nice and you then told me afterwards and tell around

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_03]: well that's because of the same platform part or forward licensed the platform for Volkswagen

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_03]: okay so that's kind of a nice surprise so for 10,000 euro less I'm getting the same brain

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_03]: and you know and the head up the display is nice it's the minimal information the dashboard is nice

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_03]: and that center console is way better than what's on the more expensive ID seven

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_03]: it's a much nicer screen which is interesting a lot of lots of pockets and little cobe holes everywhere

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_03]: very practical car very practical car and what I really like is that because there's no

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_03]: transmission or anything running up the bottom of the car there's a lot of space for that center console

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_03]: and what Volkswagen did with the space was to have two layers where you could reach under into

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_03]: stuff forwards approach is different so you lift up the armrest and you have a cavernous place where

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_03]: you can put stuff and then there's two modules in front of that which is one for coffee cobe holders

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_03]: and to diagonally sloped I teach teachers which is kind of an interesting idea because it

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_03]: makes them the same with as the coffee copovers and they're just you slide the phone diagonally which

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_03]: is kind of cool and what I discovered when the dealership me is that those two modules can be removed

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_03]: so you can have neither one or the other or both of those modules and when you take those out

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_03]: you have an unimaginably large amount of space in that center console you could put

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_03]: three big water balls in there or even if you leave in the two modules you can get a laptop in

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_03]: there so you could safely still away a laptop or two laptops frankly in there which is kind of cool

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_03]: and there's also by default a coin tray that sits on top of the very deep the hole with lots of

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_03]: space which again is removable so it's very very practical and the other one I thought was really cool

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_03]: so the the nice big center console screen can be moved so that you can have it at the angle you

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_03]: want and when you lift it up there's a rubber coated place in there to keep like a keyfob or

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_03]: you know something that you might need to get into the garage and work or a home or whatever

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's rubberized with holes still there and it's completely hidden what's put the screen back

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_03]: down so it's a very practical car. Do you manually move the screen because it looks like

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_01]: videos that you there's like a there's some mechanism that moves it or do you manually

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_03]: move it up and down. There's a there's a little tab with the bottom and it sort of it feels like

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_03]: it's on a monitor arm or something it moves very very easily it just okay just pick it up and move it

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_03]: and yeah so that was that's kind of nice in terms it's just very practical and then

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_03]: something we noticed on our telegram chat there's a giant big bows speaker in the capri and

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_03]: that exact same speaker is also in the explorer. It runs across the top of the dash and I'm sure

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_03]: it's fantastic it's buying an all of some very expensive speaker and in the video you couldn't

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_03]: really tell how would it be in the way. I mean one of one of the people in the chat was very

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_03]: concerned you know not a particularly total person I'm not tall either. We know what this be in

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_03]: my line of sight well no because it's really well sculpted to the dashboard and so actually I think

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_03]: if you were to project a straight line I think basically the dashboard has been lowered slightly

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and the speaker molded to it so actually it's completely not an issue which is great

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm sure it's great sound but I didn't I'm not sure what was best audio file but it does

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_03]: look pretty cool actually so big B&O speaker and the at least in the explorer the panorama

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_03]: group is amazing and I presumably the same roof in the capri which looks pretty darn nice so

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_03]: physically speaking it was very nice in there very nice indeed and yeah in terms of what pieces

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_03]: there were it's the same was what I had in the ID seven which I also liked so that was nice

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_01]: so then I took it out on the road so let's talk about that because your user interface is

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_03]: going to be similar yeah I was straight at home I was absolutely straight at home some differences

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_03]: the color blue played a much bigger role in the icons and stuff but the shape of everything was the

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_03]: same as what I'd seen before but the color blue was a lot a lot more prominent in the forward than

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: in the Volkswagen blue basically means there is AI in charge which as a test driver I'm making

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_03]: you very at home because I'm used to you know if my little side screen is showing things in blue that

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_03]: means that the AI is doing something and on the forward if something is blue it means that I think

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_03]: the color for blue they're very eye on the blue cruise that's the one yeah so one blue cruise is

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_03]: doing its thing it goes blue which made you feel right with home so yeah so on the road I was immediately

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_03]: home because everything was the same as what I got used to in the ID seven and it is it's fast

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_03]: fast but in the ID seven it is at least as fast as my model 3 and I got to take actually yeah

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_03]: so it's a rural dealership which is the first time I've gone to a rural dealership instead of

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_03]: a Dublin-based dealership and it was such a different attitude like the dealer didn't feel any

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_03]: urge whatsoever to join me for the test drive is like yeah here's the keys off you go you know

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_03]: oh I'll be 20 minutes at take your time take as long as you're like it's kind of cool so we decided

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_03]: to go right up the motorway and then onto some of the back roads and then back to the dealership

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_03]: it's better have joined me this time because it's one more really seriously considering

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_03]: and before I noticed that I was 10 kilometers near the speed limit barely touched the accelerator

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_03]: on the motorway oh okay I'm going to need to be very careful in this car but because they

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_03]: licensed Volkswagen's platform it's that same bloody turn drive twice to get into EV style drive so

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_03]: you have DNOROS twists on the stock and then you have to twist again to go into what they

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_03]: called B which is we've turned on region but I still have a lot of region what is still not a

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_02]: lot B supposed to stand for break so you've drive I know it's stupid like I said it was stupid

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_03]: in the ID4 it was still stupid in the ID7 and it's still stupid in the Ford okay but that

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Volkswagen is has made its way into Ford okay it's not very strong region and by default by default

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_03]: the car behaves like an automatic transmission ice vehicle and my theory is that these legacy

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_03]: car makers like Ford and Volkswagen they don't see that as a problem they see that as the only

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_03]: way they're going to transition their existing customers which is many many many of them to an EV

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_03]: and so by default there's a creeper mode enabled thankfully you can mostly disable it by going in

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_03]: and putting on the optional hold mode which means when you come to an absolute stop the car will

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_03]: stay stopped but in stop go traffic it will still do the creep thing which gives you one for

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_03]: driving at slow speeds it's just the inverse of the one for driving we're used to because you're

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_03]: basically going on and off the break to drive forward and stuff driving forward but the region is

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_03]: not very strong and I presume it's not blended breaking thing that the key is and everything else does

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_03]: where basically the region is there and it is fitting the battery but it's connected to the break

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_03]: pedal not to letting off the accelerator so I wish it was I wish I've all like I've driven a lot of cars

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_03]: now there are only two of them and the entirety of planet Earth that I can find that do the proper

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_03]: test or like thing and that's the test let on the pole star no one else does it everyone else has gone

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_03]: the sort of the forward route for folks who I can route so yeah it drove extremely well

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_03]: and once I asked to say I went to wee bit in the default and then I found the first exit of the

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_03]: motorway pulled in and then popped up the settings menu and started going off off off on right

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_03]: just sort of toggling through the various settings to really configure the car realistically for me

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_03]: and once I had tug of the buttons the way I would like to drive the car it was actually very

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_03]: pleasant drive I will miss test the style true one foot driving and I will be giving feedback

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_03]: to forwards saying hey self-reupdate folks when we put it to that be mode will you actually give us

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_03]: full enough region to come to a full stop please but not yet doesn't exist yet I'll give

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_01]: feedback though yeah for sure how did you like the interface when you were doing that because

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I've only driven a mock-y once but I found it very difficult to get around and I've heard

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_01]: that they've simplified the user interface and when you go into the settings and you're trying to find

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_01]: specific things I've heard it's much more simple than it then it was when I drove the ID4 which

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_03]: was a couple years ago admittedly I put it in this way I didn't break out Google no gonna give

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I tried to do this in the ironic sex I had to go to Google I couldn't figure out how to make

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_03]: the car do things without going to Google and in the forward I didn't go to Google and I don't

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_03]: think I said any not boys get say for it's got it that's fair yeah we took a little while

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_03]: to figure out it's logic but it's very consistent so once you figure out oh okay this is how

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_03]: do I think about things I actually search click around very quickly once I rocked the logic and I just

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_03]: kept tapping things body and I did I did get there so that I guess that means it's a

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_03]: intuitive right if I could just tap away and get what I wanted for sure for sure how about the ADS system

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_03]: very good and so because I got to go in the motorway I got to really test it so I guess my

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_03]: comparison is to a model 3 Tesla with no optional extras so out of the box Tesla give you basic

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_03]: autopilot which is smart adaptive cruise control and lane assist or lane keeping in fact to

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_03]: be honest and the forward gives you that same stuff for 1,200 euro but any of them any of the numbers

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I've given you includes that optional extra but it's technically an optional extra so you

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_03]: could pull the price back by about 10k on the prices I gave you earlier if you take all the optional

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_03]: extras out so you'd lose the ADS you'd lose the motorized tailgate you'd lose the panoramic roof

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_03]: you'd lose the heat exchanger you'd lose the electronic tow hitch that I'll be adding to them

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah the option extra as I went for I didn't I didn't choose fancy alloy wheels and I didn't

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_03]: have to pay extra for my gorgeous blue they have a really nice blue by the way a very electric blue

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_03]: seems appropriate but no well so the automatic cruise control is very good and like with the

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Tesla you get to choose how close to follow now in the Tesla we have from 2 to 7 where is this is

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_03]: from 1 to 5 which is technically the same was just number differently I think in the test it's

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_03]: car lengths whereas it's just stripes in the Volkswagen interface sorry I call it the Volkswagen

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_03]: interface because it's identical to what I've been testing in the Volkswagen's before it's

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_03]: your face and the the the the the the so basically of three modes you have a speed limiter

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_03]: smart cruise control and cruise control with lane assist or lane keeping sorry you plenty of

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_03]: lane assist but no it's lane keeping it's full auto steer and so you basically you flick through the

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_03]: modes and then you get the the blue because blue when it's keeping you in lane and it's really good

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_03]: like it's that's very it's not jerky or anything like the motorway we were on was very very

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_03]: windy because it was going around the Irish hills instead of through them and so the car

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_03]: had to do a lot of work and it didn't seamlessly absolutely seamlessly it was just like Tesla except

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_03]: it was a button on the steering wheel and said hitting the stock and instead of rolling a wheel

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I could go faster and slower with plus minus buttons it's like a deep out on the gaming

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_03]: controller right so yeah and it was as gentle and it felt like the car wasn't in any way

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_03]: unsure of itself or jerky or hesitant it felt competent like yeah it felt like the car was

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_03]: a competent driver not an owner driver it's probably the best way to describe it basically I didn't

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah that is there's always the goal like you you look at some vehicles like if I was to go to

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_01]: a Rivian from my model Y one of the concerns that I would have is the eight asks because I'm not

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_01]: that familiar I'm going to talk with somebody here soon about their Rivian experience but

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_01]: one of my concerns would be yeah the the is auto pilot whatever they call auto pilot it how

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_01]: does that compare because they are a Tesla owner yeah and then there's some other things that

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_01]: they go along with that as well but like I feel confident if I ever went up to a Rivian I'd be

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_01]: happy with the experience but there are some things that are really like about my Tesla

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_01]: which the auto pilot I'll use that almost every morning going into work so long as it's not too busy

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and I would really hate to lose that ability like I don't I don't need the full self-driving

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I find that that feature stresses me out more than it helps me but the the auto pilot I really

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_01]: like that I get in the lane that I'm going to be in and we just go and I'm okay with you know

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_01]: going to speed limit people in Arizona or not okay with going to speed limit like this oh

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_03]: buddy I'm okay with that I dial the Tesla to exactly the speed limit and the amount of

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_03]: frankly generally speaking German student cars behind me they get very cranky and

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_03]: dangerously at the first opportunity to say but no this is you know I'm traveling at 120 kilometers

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_03]: in every hairfolk so it's not as if I'm slow with this that's just the speed you like to go here

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_01]: deal with it but yeah this the speed limit here is 10 miles over the posted speed limit

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_03]: that's how that's the term it did you do something I know a lot of people who drive like that

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_01]: some of them maybe my relatives yeah yeah and and sometimes you know I'll find myself because

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_01]: the model wide is a little bit of a beast and it's comfortable to drive I will find myself going 80

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and I oh got it back this down because I shouldn't be doing that yeah easy to do so easy to do

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_03]: those reverse sensor can't as part of the A does I guess it kind of does doesn't it

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I would imagine it it's all in one of those you know yeah I would imagine that it's probably not

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_01]: the like Tesla's reverse sensor will auto-park it if you have full self driving which is

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_01]: quite frankly the best thing ever when it does it it's magic so would it I would yeah I would include that

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah so what did the first place I saw this was in the BYUDs where you had this fake overhead

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_03]: view and in the BYUDs it looked obviously fake because you knew it was being made by the side cameras

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_03]: and they'd like drawn a picture of the car on top whereas with the ID seven it was spectacularly

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_03]: photorealistic and utterly like major head explodes like how is this possible and of course

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_03]: it's the same platform so the four did exactly the same thing and the better half was with me this

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_03]: time and I mean you would what how is it drone photographers so he's always thinking in terms of

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_03]: like yes it's called image processing it's like but but I know it's great isn't it and

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_03]: it's maybe so it's really really good in the shows exactly where you're going and it's really easy to

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_03]: reverse in and maybe the ID seven does one of them about to say as well but I just didn't try it

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_03]: but I aimed at a parking place and I knew I was gonna miss because I was like I'm completely wrong

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_03]: to aim at that parking place but hey I'm testing this thing let's have a go and so I have

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_03]: back towards it's like okay not gonna work I need to go forward and then back again I put it

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_03]: into drive and it continued to keep the rear view camera up and continued to show me

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_03]: the projected box behind me so that I could just line myself up while going forward

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_03]: to be perfect and then just puppet and reverse and drive straight in nice I was such a great

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_03]: the bear half is like so impressed it is the best reversing cameras I have come across in

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_03]: the 15 cars a selectrival of this age I was I think the ID seven probably doesn't too because

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_03]: the same platform but I didn't happen to trigger it but I was really impressed and I'm trying

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_03]: to find somewhere and I think this also has park assist when I enable all the optional

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_03]: extras but I can't find a bit of fine print that says it and the dealer didn't push it mind you

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_03]: the Volkswagen dealers and it's so picky to engage that I never use it so that's the the folks

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I can deal with it so it's probably if it's the same platform guessing it's the same here

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_03]: sure yeah but I say it's so good at the reversing cameras and so I don't think I'm gonna care

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm also I've never been used to it so I'm not losing anything I think that's probably

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_03]: the most important thing just don't lose anything and then you won't miss it yeah what about

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_03]: you have some caveats listed here you want to talk about those well yeah so because I wasn't

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_03]: interested in buying this specific car we just we didn't look at certain things right we just

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_03]: skipped over at the bit of the demo where we would have had a look at the space and the trunk and

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_03]: so and I didn't even sit in the back seat of that I was probably sure it would have just

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_03]: back and see his spacious that is back there it looked pretty nice back there but I can't verify it

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_03]: whereas in the IDC I have when I can tell you it's really spacious back there and I'm sure it's fine

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_03]: but I get into the back seat when I do the cupri I also didn't have a look at trunk or

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_03]: front or anything because it's gonna be completely different in the cupri since it's such a different

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_03]: body shape so again I will look at that in the cupri in a hindsight I should have actually

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_03]: taken those 30 seconds body so I could tell your audience but I forgot I don't have the better

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_03]: half as well so I guess we were we were very selfish you thinking of ourselves and this test

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_01]: was like a car I remember right though there's a height difference between the two of you right

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_03]: he's still it yeah he's much older yeah I mean the explorer he was very comfortable

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_03]: but that's why we definitely want to drive the cupri before we commit to buying it because he is tall

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_03]: and so if he gets it and he bangs his head off the top of the cupri well then it's a rethink

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it will be a problem but we are going to verify that and we're going to verify

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_03]: that there is room enough in the back for anything we might need before we buy the cupri so those

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of nitpicky things I will look at when they have the actual car I want to buy in a few

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_01]: times all right what about your final thoughts you're I don't know do you know Jerry Springer

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_01]: are you familiar with the Jerry Springer's final thoughts I oh I don't know if I can be as

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_02]: profound buddy but so well we didn't have quite quite the dumpster fire for this show that

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Jerry Springer normally had on to wrap it up with some moral lessons so I was going to say what

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I smashed actually this is my off a session smash anything yeah so just I guess to put it in the

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_03]: context my intention is to get a car with 600 kilometers or more range it with a tow bar and not

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_03]: losing too much of the luxuries I'm used to at my Tesla and to have it come in between 50 and 70,000

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_03]: euro and if I take the cupri and I put absolutely everything on it I want

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't make these 600 kilometers it comes in at 595 if I add the panoramic roof and

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_03]: the automatic lift gate which is what you get when you click to the premium instead of the base

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_03]: trim and I don't care I'll take the five kilometers off and have my shiny roof if I actually

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_03]: if I don't do that I get 623 which isn't too bad and the explorer is 603 with all the bells and

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_03]: this was attached so the explorer is strange you know slightly more range than the capri I would have thought

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_03]: you know put a put a smaller and more squad by the on an I thought it might get slightly more

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_03]: range but it's actually so likely less range but yeah whatever and the explorer with all the bells

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and whistles comes in at 55k euro which is really not bad and with all the bells and whistles

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_03]: the capri comes in at 60k so unless something really surprising happens in November

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I am pretty darn sure for it is getting my money the only caveat and that is if Polster

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_03]: offer me a preorder with a specific date they will still get my money because they said how

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_03]: the one foot breaking there they're still a little bit more Tesla ish but unless their preorder page

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_03]: has an actual date I've done just a many more so realistically I don't see that happening between

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_03]: now in November nothing in my experience with Polster tells me they're going to surprise me by

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_03]: having the car early so I think it's 75% chance that unless something really unexpected happens in

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_03]: November a shiny blue capri will be sitting in our driveway by new year's day 2025. Nice nice

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder with the Polster because I've been doing a lot of stories on the import duties that

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_01]: they are tariffs in the US is put in and Europe I wonder if that's if they're doing that because

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_01]: they know you know the price is going to have to be higher they've been building this car for

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_01]: X amount of years now they can build it cheaper they don't have to charge as much more to cover

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_01]: those import duties or you wouldn't be charged not the way that works exactly but you wouldn't be charged

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_01]: so wonder if that's part of their their thing. One of the things that not for this go around

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_01]: for your car because I know it's every two years you're going to be on a cycle right?

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. So next time around I want I'm looking forward to what you think of the onvo L60 which is the

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Neo of more affordable you know we're talking around $30,000 model white competitor it's

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. I heard you mentioned that I'm the show the most recent show as we record this you read my

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_03]: years as I was like this morning and I urge you to describe that card at those side interesting

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_03]: you're thinking the next go around is going to have his talentus will have their platform ready

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_03]: now then so there are going to be lots of really nice European cars your purchase and your

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Citroens and that's the lances platform and I'm really looking forward and the next go around

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I've given cilantro a really good run for their money because they're looking like the styling on

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_03]: those new those new perjose is oh so it's so good it really like it really catches the eye but

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_03]: they're just they're not quite there yet in terms of the range of the stuff because they're not on

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_03]: the newest platform yet but I like what they're doing you know so yeah they're definitely going to

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_01]: look at next over end. Excellent excellent part work can everybody find you because I know

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_01]: it's Apple month it's September in October or in big months for let's talk Apple so where can

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_01]: people find you if they want to listen to more of what you're up to? So jumping straight to it

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_03]: let's talk Apple is at letstashtalk.ie and you're right I am already gathering the show notes

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm terrified of the job I have to edit all of that news down into a same show where it's all

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_03]: organized and well taught through and stuff I really set myself a challenge in September every year

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_03]: it's fun and me personally a bar to b dot i and I look out for me on photography so it's like

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_03]: glass where you'll find all of my photography and stuff which I'm spending a lot of creative energy

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_03]: on photography the last couple of months that she got and I really got them back into it again

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_03]: so that's definitely something I would encourage people to keep an eye on. Yeah and let's let's

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_01]: let's let's mention let's talk photography where it's less of a gear show and more of a

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_01]: actually talking about photography right? Right so the tagline I've gone with is the art and

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_03]: craft of photography because it is both creative and it's a skill right it's a craft and it's an art

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_03]: and so some some weeks some months ago a little bit more RT40 in philosophical a bit composition

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_03]: and some weeks it's about the practicalities of what can actually do to get this effect right so yeah

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_03]: to craft of photography let's ask talk dot i e perfect bar thank you so much for coming on

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and sharing some of your time with us have a really nice rest of your Sunday and we will

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_02]: hopefully in November fingers crossed touch wood and I very much look forward to it have a good one

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_01]: alright once again I want to thank Bart for coming on the show and sharing all this

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[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_01]: very little work as a matter of fact most of the folks that come on the show you know in one

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[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_01]: whatsoever they have talking in strano and they already have their talking points set and I just need

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_01]: guide the interview and even then I'm not really even guiding I'm just along for the right so Bart

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