Exploring the VW ID.7 with Bart Busschots

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[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Hello everyone and welcome to Kilowatt, a podcast about Electric Vehicles, renewable energy, autonomous driving and much, much more.

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_00]: My name is Bodi and I am your host and on today's episode we are going to talk to Bart Busschots.

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And as many of you know, Bart is one of my favorite humans. I genuinely love getting the time to talk to Bart.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It is always a good conversation and as a bonus to the good conversation is because Bart's in Ireland.

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I get to watch the Irish Sunset, which you know, I don't get to do very often from my basement in Arizona.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's always a win when I can do it with Bart.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Today Bart and I are going to talk about the IED7.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So if you remember right, the last time we talked to Bart, he was going to get a Polestar 2 like the new year 2024 Polestar 2.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And the 2024s aren't in Ireland yet.

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_00]: So Bart is currently waiting for a 2024 Polestar 2.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_00]: But while he's waiting, he's also looking for other vehicles and he had a chance to test out the VW IED7.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So instead of listening to me talk about this, let's go ahead and welcome Bart to the show.

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Always a pleasure to talk to you Bodi. Whenever I have an excuse, I sort of invite myself on and you always seem to say yes.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Bart, I love talking to you. You are welcome on anytime, even if you don't have an excuse, you're all welcome.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So Bart, the last time we talked to you because you were looking for an EV for new listeners.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And we have a whole, I think it was two maybe three episodes of you running down EVs that you had tested.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_00]: We should let everybody know that you are in Ireland.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So there we have that international flair to this as well.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And we last settled on a Polestar.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_00]: We did.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Polestar 2.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And we kind of look like that was maybe coming in. What was it, Mark?

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they promised me so I did the test drive in the then existing model which is which was front wheel drive.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And there was something else different about it that they were, oh yeah, and much shorter range.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And they said, oh, the 2024 model year we're moving the motor to the back, which is a big improvement.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. That is something I noticed in all of my test drives is when the motor is on the back, the car is just so much nicer to drive.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And obviously more range. Yes. Thank you.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That is that for me, that is the thing I want.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And so they said, yeah, the 2024 model will be amazing.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It will go 600 and something probably 620 kilometer range.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And it we're moving the engine to the motor to the back.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought, fantastic. This is the car I want.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And I even went so far. I had a family holiday over Christmas and I went out of my way to rent a Polestar 2 to live with it for a week.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So it was literally my car for a week, even though the steering was on the wrong side because I was in Belgium.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But that was fine. And I really enjoyed it.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I liked the car. And basically I said to Polestar, when can I give you my money?

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And they said, well, we did tell you be early 2024 probably May.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, fine. Come back in May. So when can I give you my money?

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Late July, early August. So I came back to them two or three weeks ago. When can I give you my money?

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Q1 2025. Oh no.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, come on. It's a 2024 model year.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And they are just flooding the Irish market with ads for the old model Polestar 2.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It appears that Head Office has decided the Irish are frankly they think we're dumb enough to buy the old car.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm reading between the lines that dealer is not very happy because I told them, I just told them point blank.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I said, if you will sell me your good car, I will give you money now.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But if you insist on selling me your old rubbish, I am not giving you my money and you're like, you're not wrong.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, is the newer model out in other parts of the world?

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_00]: You guys have it all around.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. Okay.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So how much I stay up on Polestar apparently.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so this is what we'll both agree that this is very unfair.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It is.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_00]: You do you do have the steering wheel on the other side of the road.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I won't say the wrong side of the road, but you do have the steering on the wrong side of the car.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_00]: But do you think that maybe why they're delaying?

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that's that is that is a very generous thought.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It hadn't occurred to me.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I just feel as if the country bumpkins are been taken advantage of us how I feel, but you may be right.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It may be your reason.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I think because I think in China is left-hand drive, but the rest of Asia is right-hand drive.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that right?

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the Australians and the New Zealanders are on our side as well.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And other than that, it's pretty much no one left.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like the countries in the world that use miles and feet instead of the metric system.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost kind of where the English were and they haven't got ready to changing it is kind of where it is.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a few places in Africa as well.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, so this is this we're both going to agree this is a travesty.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_00]: This sucks because you really like the car.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_00]: You were all set on spending money on the car and now here we are three months after they said come back.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_00]: You don't get it.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_00]: So what was your next step?

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: What was the thing that kind of prompted this conversation?

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So, I guess there will be a future conversation because the other thing that happened is Ford went and said,

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: you Europeans, you can have a really nice Ford Capri that we've reinvented for the EV world.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And when I was growing up, the Ford Capri was very much something I wanted.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I loved the old Ford Capri and to bring that brand back.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So there's going to be a gorgeous EV from Ford.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the same price range as the Model 3 and the Polestar 2.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It looks beautiful.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So I booked in for test drive.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: The moment one hits my local dealer, they are phoning me and I'm test driving that thing.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's going to happen soon enough.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I just started Googling again.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, well it's been a year since I wrote my spreadsheet,

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_02]: like my giant big spreadsheet.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So I started looking around and I noticed that Volkswagen have released,

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_02]: at least here in Ireland, the ID7.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And the ID7...

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_02]: We don't have here in the US.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So I guess there is an advantage to a European brand sometimes.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So what makes...

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_02]: The reason it caught my eye was I'm not a giant big fan of SUVs or even crossovers.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And I just want a saloon car or a sedan as you guys would call it.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And finally, the ID7 has a EV sedan.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: A really nice EV sedan.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And their Pro S Plus model has a 702 kilometre range.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's good range.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing range.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So I phoned up my local dealer because I did a test drive in the ID bulls in the ID4 last year.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So they had me on file.

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I rang them up and went,

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So do you have an ID7 to test?

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And they were like,

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we do, sir.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Can you come in this afternoon?

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And I said,

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: No, but how's the bit tomorrow morning?

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So I came in and I drove it yesterday.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's a really, really nice car.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Almost everything I didn't like about the ID4 has been fixed.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Almost.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: They still don't seem to believe that regen should be aggressive enough to use actual one foot driving.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_02]: They don't seem to grok that.

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And when I tried to explain to the sales rep, he was like,

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_02]: No one asked for that.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like,

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess you don't get a lot of Tesla drivers coming over then because yeah,

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: When I let my foot off the gas, I want the car to stop, you know, like a golf cart.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You can seem to grok at all.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But other than that, so the things I dislike most about the ID4 was the fact that the interior felt like Fisher price was how I described it because it was this horrible thingy where the drive was this

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: giant big toy knob sticking out of the side of the dashboard that you turned once for drive and once for EV style drive, which is their regen mode.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was really was very unpleasant in there.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And that really disappointed me because I expect Volkswagen to be a brand of quality and a brand with good built.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I really expected to feel solid and it felt like a toy.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And I got into the ID7 and the first thing I was like, oh, I like being in here.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It has that same minimalistic aesthetic that I like in the Polestar and that were it's not as extreme as in the Tesla, which to me is always like if I key I made a car, it would be like the test.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It even has like wood.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: It's very, very IKEA.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So with the test that you have no buttons and everything is on the screen apart from just your two, two little knobs on the steering wheel.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, a lot of cars you joke at me for calling it button barf, but something I really disliked about a lot of other EVs is that it looks like someone just sprayed buttons everywhere.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the ID7 is nothing like that.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: It's way, way closer to the feel I got, like I say in the Polestar.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a few buttons, but not a lot.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's this very minimalist dashboard, little bit of leather just for detailing.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So we're used to having that strip of wood.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a strip of leather.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But other than that, it's very, very much like what we get in our Tesla's.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_02]: The screen has been greatly improved from the ID4.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's much bigger and it's much higher resolution, much stronger color.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a much nicer screen.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So that center console is now a nice screen.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It's landscape like we're used to in our Tesla's not portrait like Polestar I went with.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And like Polestar, I have or they have a traditional dashboard behind the steering wheel with only the essentials.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Completely uncluttered.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It is just the essentials.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Am I in smart cruise control?

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Do I have lane assist turned on?

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: What speed am I going?

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: What's the speed limit?

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the bare essentials and nothing more.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's extremely nice and minimalist, very, very clear.

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's a heads up display, which gives me the same information as a little mini dashboard.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But as a heads up display, which is very, very pleasing.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Are you calling that instrument panel, that tiny instrument panel the heads up display?

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Or is this something that flashes up on the window?

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's projected onto the window.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So you have the normal, like a physical mini dashboard behind the steering wheel.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you have this head, this thingy projector on the way.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how it works actually.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess it is projected on the windscreen is probably how it worked.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's great.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And again, the buttons for smart cruise control and everything are on the steering wheel.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_02]: They're not rolly wheels like on the Teslas, which is kind of a pity.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I have to hit the up button or the down button.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's not, you know, it's comfortable.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_02]: They're all within easy reach and they all make sense.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it behaves like I expect.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_02]: They've also done a lot of nice work on making the interior practical,

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_02]: which is what I expected from Volkswagen the last time when I was very disappointed with the ID4.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But you have sort of a two layer center console,

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_02]: which I think it was either the Ionic 6, I think has this as well,

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_02]: where you can reach under and put big icky stuff at a site.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you have a traditional center console above that,

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_02]: which like in the Tesla has a sliding cover.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But this sliding cover slides from the middle and goes both ways.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And so it actually covers up the drinks holders.

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So when you don't need to have a giant big pot of coffee next to you,

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: which is not often for me, but it might happen someday.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You can actually slide it over and cover it.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you have the same armrest, which opens up and gives you your storage

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_02]: for stuff you don't need every day.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It has USB-C ports.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It has a G charger.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_02]: It has all that kind of stuff you'd expect.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But all nicely hidden under that center console,

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_02]: really good side pouches in the doors and things.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And being a big saloon, I'm not a tall person,

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_02]: but I could be six foot eight and sit in the back of that car

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_02]: in great comfort.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it is huge back there.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And also the trunk, as you guys would call it,

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_02]: or the boot, as I thought it is massive.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Now they call it a saloon, but the back window is attached to the sticky outy bit.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So when you open it up, it does all lift up,

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_02]: which is not a saloon the way I grew up.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: But I guess we've changed the definitions of these things.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it does look like it is if you were just to look at it

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_00]: with everything from the outside, everything is just like a sedan.

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_00]: But it does have that a hatchback quality for sure.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's go back to the drink holders because I've owned several Volkswagen.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So I love Volkswagen.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Even when they even when they had their scandal,

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, you got it.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_00]: That's really creative.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't agree with what they did.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_00]: It's good engineering.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's really smart.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_00]: They hate you to drink in your vehicle Volkswagen

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_00]: because I had a Volkswagen Jetta diesel and the drink holders,

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_00]: there was like a little button you pushed right above the radio

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: and they kind of popped out and there was these little flimsy things

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_00]: that would hold your drink in there.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And if you were drinking, you know, a small soda rate,

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_00]: if you were drinking a coffee, good luck.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_00]: That was those are the only drink holders in that car.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, this is this is, I will say in the realm of

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_00]: luxury, right?

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Because you're right.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_00]: The every Volkswagen I've ever owned felt like a solid well-built vehicle.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_00]: When I got into friends, friends, you know, low to mid tier BMWs or Mercedes,

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_00]: it felt this obviously Mercedes in a BMW is going to be a better car just in general.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_00]: But the build quality felt similar enough.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_00]: You felt that clunk when you show and close the door.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And you felt it not just hurt it, but you felt it when you close the door.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what this looks like.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_00]: This looks like a return to what Volkswagen is really good at.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Whereas the ID for look like what Volkswagen thought cars should look like 10 years from now or maybe even five years from when they started building it.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And that didn't come to fruition.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_02]: They thought they were being futuristic and cool and they were being childish and silly.

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is like the old Passat, like a solid, big sedan.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Really well built, really comfortable.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: As a driver, you feel like this car is meant for you to enjoy it as much in here.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that it looks gorgeous on the outside is a bonus.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But it really is a car that feels like you should be happy inside it.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is what I want because I spend more time in my car than I do looking at it.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So this.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's obviously it's going to be big enough to fit your bike in the back if you want.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it has an electric tow hitch as an option.

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's even better because then I don't have the dirty the car.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, I could stick the bike in the back, but then I have to hold the seats down and my model three is almost perfect.

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It has one scratch where I once managed to hit the pedal off the back of the car because it just takes once.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: You just have to do it once.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was so careful, you know, I had like a really good boot cover installed and everything to keep it all clean in there.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And just that one time you slip with the pedals.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So no, that's not happening anymore.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_02]: New car, electric tow hitch.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolute must.

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And this has that as an option.

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_02]: The other option I'm actually would definitely if I choose to buy this car, the other option that's coming along is the heat exchanger.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, the heat pump.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So that way better than yield the air con.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_00]: The heat pump optional or is it come with every model?

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's not.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_02]: No, the heat pumps optional.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's a thousand and two hundred euro.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I think ish.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It was not cheap, but I'm kind of prepared to give that for a heat pump.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And the other option I am fighting with myself over.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't asked to say I am giving the Capri ago before I make a final call.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But realistically, it's the Capri or this on this poster.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Give me a car.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Post it on your card.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I will take them.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I will give them my money, but anyway, the one I'm fighting with myself is the panoramic roof.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's 2000 euro extra for the panoramic roof.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's really nice.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And I did set myself a budget of 50 to 70 thousand and without the panoramic roof at 69.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_02]: With the panoramic roof, I break my budget.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm fighting with myself.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm fighting with myself.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_00]: It is it is one of those things where I'm already at 70.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_00]: What's 71?

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a thousand euros.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's yeah, funny, funny like that.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: The dealer was actually saying, look, I'm really happy to hear you say you'd like the electric tow hitch because the amount of people I sell a 60 70 thousand euro car to and then they save themselves a few hundred on the tow hitch.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: They install an aftermarket one and it breaks the reversing sensor.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, because apparently they cause an emergency.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think it's going to be a big deal.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's the interference when you just slap a random bit of metal on the back of your car.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So I was like, no, no, I'm not going to skimp on that.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I started arguing with myself about the roof.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we live in Ireland.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we don't need a roof.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But then again, the sun is way nicer when it's coming through glass.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Then you don't feel that it's cold.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Can I tell you the opposite of that as somebody who lives in the sun?

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Hitch.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_00]: You don't want one.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, I took my daughter to one of her after school things.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, there's like a couple places to sit in this place.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: But none of them are comfortable.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_00]: They're always people just sitting so you end up standing.

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So I just go sit in the car and I work.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I usually work on this show.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll just go sit in the car and wait for her.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_00]: But last week when I took her on Thursday, it rained and it rained hard.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_00]: So I just kind of leaned the seat back in the Tesla and just looked up at the rain.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Now I know it's an anomaly here or not there.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll have to flip a little bit in terms of experiences.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_00]: But I thought this is why I have this roof.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Now it came with my car and I didn't pay extra for it, but this is why.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is great.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And they just had these big old drops of rain and within 15 minutes the parking lots flooded

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and within 10 minutes the rain had stopped and the water was gone.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_00]: But it was still amazing.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_00]: It was a great experience in the car.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I was watching Netflix and working on my show and had the rain coming down.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_00]: That sounds lovely.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, you know what's really funny?

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So the Model 3, like your Model Y comes with the panoramic roof.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And so we've always had the panoramic roof.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was talking to the better half, you know, it is a bit more than our budget,

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: but I do kind of want the panoramic roof.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And he said, what's a panoramic roof?

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I went, look up.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what?

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I never noticed that.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So it would be for me.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It would only be for me.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's my kids noticed it the first maybe month or two that I had the car

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_00]: and then after that they didn't care.

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It was one of the first things like when I got in my dad's Tesla,

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_02]: it was one of the first things that I noticed was, oh wow.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I like that.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_00]: My wife and I drove to Tucson and we part of the drive was at nighttime.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So when you kind of looked up, you could see the stars.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_00]: But in the Phoenix area, you're lucky to see 10 stars.

[00:20:12] Cool.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So as I say, before we left a lot, I was already impressed with the ID 7

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_02]: because my very, very first impression of getting into the ID 4 was,

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_02]: oh, and my very first impression of getting into this car was,

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_02]: oh, and that was a nice, that was nice.

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Then as soon as I got the basic instructions for how to drive it.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So instead of that big tuggly thing sticking out of the dashboard,

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_02]: there's a plain old stock that you use to select drive and reverse and stuff.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You still have to twist it instead of moving it up and down,

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_02]: which still breaks my brain slightly, twisting instead of moving up and down,

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_02]: but I'll live with it.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And you still have to do it twice to get into regen mode.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But it did remember regen when I went into reverse to park

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and then I went back into forward to park better.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And it remembered the B mode.

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So it seems a little clever than, than I think the ID 4 was.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_03]: But when you put it in park, it resets the regen mode, right?

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I would guess so, but I did only do one drive.

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I don't really know.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess once I hit the P, yeah.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Cause basically I hit like in the Tesla,

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_02]: hit the top of the stock to put it into park mode.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Sort of bang done, you know, I'm out of here.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, when I went for the drive again,

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_02]: the only criticism I have is the regen isn't strong enough.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Other than that, the,

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_02]: the, the, the ADAS features,

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_02]: the automatic driver assist features were basically what you get

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: from Tesla for free or what I became used to in all the other brands I drove.

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So whether it was the pole star,

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_02]: in fact, all of the brands apart from Tesla seem to have settled on the same icons

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_02]: for these things as well.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Cause it just,

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_02]: it just immediately felt completely at home.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I immediately intuited what the symbols meant.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like, oh, I'm in automatic cruise control now and I'm set to three back

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_02]: instead of two back because it was like, you know, three little dots.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like a steer, an auto, you know, a speedometer and an automatic side.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It was very, very obvious what it was, which was nice.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It is aware of speed limits, which is a big deal.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And unlike Elon, the people who run Volkswagen believe that speed limit

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_02]: should be obeyed in both directions, not only when they allow you to go faster.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Cause that is one of my biggest pet peeves with the model, with the Tesla is that I can,

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_02]: when I engage automatic cruise control, it defaults to the speed limit,

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_02]: which is perfect.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_02]: That's exactly what I want.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's probably what drove me the most nuts about the Aionic 6

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_02]: without it defaulted to your current speed.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_02]: The reason I'm using this is because otherwise I get speeding tickets.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So I would like you to take the car up to the speed limit and then sit there like a good boy

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_02]: and, you know, don't crash into anything in front.

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And that is your job in life.

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Just go up to the speed limit and stay there.

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And the great thing was that this goes up and down.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So no more rolling on the thumb wheel every time I go from an 80 to a 60 or whatever.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_02]: They're kilometers, by the way.

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_02]: We don't let you drive along at 80 mile an hour.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And no more of that.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's really good.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Also, the guy, the rep will let me take it out on the motorway, which was nice.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And there were roadworks, which meant that it was reading the signs as well as using GPS.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And it correctly read the sign that said temporary speed limit 60 kilometers an hour,

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_02]: which is really bloody slow on a motorway.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It pulled the car back to 60.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And then because roadworks people are a bit weird, they put it back up to 120 for about 500 meters.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the road drops down to 80 and the car went up to 120 and then down to 80.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And it got down to 80 as the front wheel passed the sign.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So none of this, like my mum believes that you start slowing down when you pass the sign.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, mum, you are going to get a speeding ticket.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_02]: That is not how the law works.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So I was happy to see that the car was at 80 as it passed the sign, which is what I want.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And it went up and down and up and down.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It was perfect.

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And you have a choice of how near to follow and how far to follow.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So the Aida stuff was just normal.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to do full self-driving, which is not available here in Europe anyway from Tesla.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So from my point of view, I wouldn't be missing anything in terms of the automation.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Now I know if I had paid for even advanced autopilot, I would be losing features.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But I haven't.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not.

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: That's fine.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the other party piece is very much the reversing has gotten so much better since Model 3 I'm used to.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the camera is just nicer full stop, but it gives you that fake looking down from above mode.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And the first time I saw that was in the BYD Atto.

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And in the Atto, it was obviously faked, but good enough that you could use it.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, it was practical, but obviously a composite of cameras with two little resolution, lots of distortion.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It was obviously faked, but it was usable.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It was useful.

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: This was like believable.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I felt like there really was a crow hanging over the car sending me a live video feed.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It was really quite impressive how good that was.

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And as you're turning the wheel, it does that thing that I think most cars do, but my Tesla doesn't yet of showing you where the car is headed as you currently have the wheel turned.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So you really can just aim for the parking place and it will it will start in perfectly.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And it has auto park, but the dealer was very honest.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_02]: He said, it's so picky before it will engage and the cameras are so good.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I never use it because it's easier to just do it myself.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that was what I was going to guess.

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad to hear you say that.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe if I need to parallel park once in my life, maybe I'll find it useful because parallel parking is not on the test here.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So therefore I never learned that in driving school and I've never done it.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe someday I'll have to parallel park once and then I won't know what to do and I can hit a button on the car, but other than that, yeah, whatever.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So in terms of the automation experience in terms of the practicalities of driving it in terms of the smarts, it is on par with everything else I've been trying.

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It was neither better.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, apart from the fact that it goes up and down, it was neither better nor worse than anything else.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So it was fine, which is fine.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_00]: No, that so it sounds like all around because having listened to your previous reviews, there's really nothing, not even anything that is really super nitpicky that I'm picking out of here that would be a deal breaker.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Like because there are definitely cars that I've test driven.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_00]: This is the most petty thing, Bart, but I test drove like a Toyota Citian.

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember which one it was, but it felt like I was driving a couch.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_00]: The car was great, but I felt like I was driving a couch and when my wife and I got done test driving, I said this feels like we're sitting on a couch.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_00]: She says, yeah, I don't like it either.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, great.

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So we didn't buy the car based on that.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Everything else is right.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_00]: It was in the budget.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_00]: The car was well rated.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_00]: The lady who was trying to sell this car was very nice.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to buy from her, but I just could not buy a couch.

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_03]: That was me in the IDBose body.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Now the word I use is land yottling because it felt like I was floating.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like a really old American sedan where you hit the brakes and the car goes forward.

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But forward.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what the IDBose felt like to me.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not that extreme.

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm exaggerating slightly, but it was one of those things that a bit like an oil tanker.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You put your foot down and then you wait for something to happen.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And then in half an hour later, it picks up some speed and then you put the brakes on and half an hour later, it might come to a stop.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, actually, yeah, I should say so because he let me go on the motorway with the ID7.

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I had an excuse when this when I got onto the motorway to get up to speed quickly and I used as an excuse to see whether or not it would go up to speed quickly.

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_02]: The ID7's nippy.

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_02]: When you put your foot down, you go, which is, you know, I'm used to that and I really like that.

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the things I think it's a safety feature, frankly, of an EV where, you know, you can safely go to, you see a gap in traffic.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_02]: You can safely go into that gap in a way I never felt comfortable with the special, especially not with a manual transmission.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, my old fiesta wasn't great at getting up to speed.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas with the Tesla, you see a gap, you take a gap and the ID7 is the same.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You see a gap, you take a gap.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So I was pleased that when I put my foot down, it went because I think the BYD Ato didn't do that.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Did not do that.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But the ID7 does.

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I didn't have high or low expectations.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, this is a new generation of platform.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_02]: They must have learned something from the ID4.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_02]: They must have.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But I went in with a very open mind and I was genuinely impressed.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And that surprised me, actually.

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And what were your better halves?

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_00]: What was his impression of the vehicle?

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't able to join me on this one.

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So while he was with me for the IDBos and the ID4, I said, I'm going back to Volkswagen and what he actually said was, yeah, whatever.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Have good luck with that.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the exact words were a good look with that.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Because he thought I would hate it as much as I hated the ID4 and not at all.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_00]: So we talked about the external styling, we talked about the internal, we talked about drive.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk a little bit about the infotainment system.

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And I know that you don't need Apple CarPlayer or Android Auto in your life.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_00]: You're very happy.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I want.

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, right?

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_00]: There is something about having the ability to put your Apple Maps up on the screen and use Apple Maps or get your messages when you're sitting still, not when you're driving.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_00]: How did you find the infotainment system?

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, so the screen is gorgeous.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And it seemed, I mean, you don't really, that's the thing that's very hard to do in a quick test drive.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It's very hard to get a feel about what it will be like to live with.

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_02]: The exception would be the stuff from Hyundai, the Ionic 6.

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I knew I hated the infotainment system within three seconds.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the only one that happened with all the other ones are all very, very similar.

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a screen of icons.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You push the icon.

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It's all very self-explanatory.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_02]: The map was on a black background instead of a white background by default.

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, whatever.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I said to the dealer, you know, punch in, you know, punch in the dealership to show us the navigation.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And he said, to be honest, I don't know how I just use Google auto when I drive these things.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, okay, and it does carplay.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And he was like, yes.

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So realistically, I'm just going to be using carplay.

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm an I and he was like, yeah, everyone does.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So he said there is a perfectly functional system under here.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But what everyone does is they plug in their phone and then it becomes Google world where they feel comfortable or Apple world where they feel comfortable.

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So he basically was like, the infotainment system is fine.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It's passable.

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But realistically, you're going to use your phone.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, yeah, you're kind of right.

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And I would I would argue that you're going to add your world because I have two world to different worlds in terms of my car.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It's better that I have Apple pod.

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't use Apple podcasts except for in my car because Tesla has Apple podcast on.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's great.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Tesla has Apple music and it is nice.

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I still find if I type in a song or I ask it to play a song, sometimes it's defaults to tune in even though I've asked to turn that off in this default systems.

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_00]: But it would be nice if I could if I had Apple carplay.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Apple has got this really cool feature where you can you can have multiple people in the car and you can kind of make a playlist and off of different people's iPhones.

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_00]: My kids just got iPhones yesterday.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_00]: They've graduated into phone ownership and being more out and about on their own.

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_00]: They're 12 now, so they are doing more things.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And my daughter and I are always fighting.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm winning because she can't control it because she has set in the back seat till she's 13, but we're always fighting over the radio.

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_02]: That was just going to say, although isn't that one of the things the others of the new Model 3 was that controls on the back?

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So then you're going to lose the fight in future.

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_00]: No, but for now I lucked out and I got an old hardware three well one week before they came out with hardware four.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_00]: No, just kidding.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it was true.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so but the thing is I would I would love for my daughter to we're going to take a trip just her and I to California in February.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I think we nailed down the plans, but it would be cool because again she has to sit in the back seat be cool.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_00]: She could like connect her phone to my phone and then we could just do that.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess we could do it all over Bluetooth anyway if my phone's connected to Bluetooth.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how that's going to work.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I drive the car with Bluetooth.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I just always have my iPhone as the audio source and it's just a dumb Bluetooth device.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And here in Ireland, Apple Maps are so much better than Tesla Maps.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I bought a magnetic mount for my phone that sits above Tesla screen that I magnetically clip my phone to so I can use navigation on my phone.

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So I actually use Apple Maps.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I have a Java that I bought and it works great.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And that says a lot.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_00]: It does.

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Even my oldest who was in the car is taking her back to the airport this weekend.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And she got in the car and I was like, man, I don't know what the road construction looks like because right in front of the airport there's a bunch of roads construction on the freeway.

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So I typed it into Tesla Maps and she's a Model 3 owner and she goes, no, no, no, don't do that.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_00]: She goes Tesla Maps and garbage.

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I'll just look it up on my phone because we were already driving.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_00]: We were sitting at the light waiting for it to turn red and I didn't want to pull my phone out.

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I was just trying to get that done real quick.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, I'll just do it on my phone.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like there those maps are garbage.

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And I wouldn't say they're garbage.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I would say they're good 80% of the time.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Well in Ireland, they're less good because they don't have the lane information to the same level and they cannot pronounce Irish place names at all.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, can't pronounce them.

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And that is problematic because well, we have Irish place names here, strangely enough.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're not pronounced the way they're spelled.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's just be frank.

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_02]: They come from the Irish language.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So at GH it does not pronounce the go.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's anyway.

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're awful, awful.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So it sounds like Tesla needs to work on some localization with their stuff.

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_02]: It's actually a game we play.

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_02]: What place name do they mean?

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Can you recognize it?

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Not always.

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Tesla, Apple does it really.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_00]: We go to Hawaii often every couple of years.

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll find ourselves in Hawaii because we love Hawaii.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Apple does a pretty good job with very complicated names that I almost always make up.

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And I mess up and I've been going to the big island for I don't know over 20 years.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Apple is perfect.

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Apple is perfect with the Irish names and Apple is perfectly with the lane keeping,

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: staying in the left two lanes.

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And the lights after these lights.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I just love those little details.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_00]: In the next two lights, take a left.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a great detail.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And some kind of reason.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I noticed that when I'm driving in parts of Dublin City, I don't usually go to which can be very stressful because it's usually really busy.

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm often there for a medical appointment.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm a little bit nervous.

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Google or sorry, Tesla Maps just abandons you.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like you're on a four lane road and you need to take the next left in 200 meters.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And you don't know is that this satellite or satellites after this?

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_02]: How far is 200 meters?

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And Siri is just perfect.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_02]: She just says to you, you know, after the lights after these lights being the left two lanes, like, I can do that.

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I know how to do that.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I agree.

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I have one more question for you, Bart.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is about the Polestar.

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Because you were in the European Union part of Ireland, correct?

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_00]: That is correct.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_00]: It was the Polestar subject to the tariffs because they are aren't they built in?

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I know that some of the Polestar are built in South Korea.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but they also announced a new factory in Turkey last week.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I missed that.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So they basically, I thought it was Turkey.

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I could be slightly wrong in the detail, but I remember that the key point was so as not to be subject to the tariff.

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_02]: As in we're making a new manufacturing plant so as not to be subject to the tariff.

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was Polestar.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, maybe it was CL.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it was BYD.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's good thing I don't do a podcast on EVs, Bodhi.

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_02]: There was news about someone avoiding our tariffs.

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is news.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I know that they make some of their vehicles in, they have a factory that's very close to be done.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_00]: If not already done here.

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_00]: They have a factory I think in South Korea.

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_00]: So it would make sense like if you're going to get hit with a bunch of tariffs, it doesn't make sense to build a factory in the territory where they're taxing you the most.

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So what I can say for sure is that a manufacturer recently announced they're opening a new factory in Europe specifically to avoid the tariffs.

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So I guess that's tariffs working as intended.

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_02]: The Volkswagen dealer made a really big point of saying that being European, of course, the tariffs are never going to affect us.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_02]: He had a really big point about that.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a good point to be made for sure.

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So Bart, I'm going to plug Let's Talk Apple.

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank you.

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk photography.

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Security bits, you're taking over for Alice and Sheridan on the NoCillicats last week, which was great.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So much work.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God, how does she do it every week?

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel for you on the solo security bits.

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I felt your pain because the thing that makes that segment so good is the interaction and the questions and the explanations.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I try not to talk jargon, but I live in that world.

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what's jargon.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Alison does know what's jargon.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So she doesn't believe me that she adds all this value, but having someone say no Bart, you've got to explain that word.

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_02]: That's actually gobbledygook.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That's amazingly powerful.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Alison tells me that as well.

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, you need to stop using these acronyms without explaining them because not everybody knows.

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, that is a valid point.

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't even argue it.

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's so hard.

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_02]: You can't tell from yourself, which is why a sidekick is so valuable.

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I love working with Alison on these kind of things.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_00]: It's great.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Again, security bits every other week, my favorite segment.

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to put all that in the show notes, but is there anything that I forgot or any place that you want people to go and find you?

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's pretty darn thorough.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But my terribly out of date homepage is at BartB.ie where you will see my photography, which is something else I enjoy doing.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And that is linking in basically my surname can't be spelled by normal human beings who aren't Belgian.

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So if you go to BartB.ie, there's links to my flicker.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_02]: There's links to my my ex is still there when I'm mostly amassed it on these days and I've just signed up to blue sky.

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how I'm going to like it, but I'm there.

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So now BartB.ie.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Perfect. Bart, thank you so much for coming on the show and sharing your experience with us.

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I think this is really valuable.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_00]: It's really valuable in a lot of ways, but most valuable in that we get that different perspective because obviously I am US centric in almost everything I talk about.

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's good to get somebody out on here who has a different look at the EV world for sure.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's my absolute pleasure and I look forward to giving you the view on the forward EVs coming to Europe whenever they let me test drive those.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Excellent. You're welcome on any time.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Excellent. All right. Thanks buddy.

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_00]: All right. I want to thank Bart for agreeing to come on the show and sharing his EV journey with us.

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll put all of Bart's links in the show notes, but I just kind of want to take a second to highlight Bart's show Let's Talk Apple.

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Bart has a really unique take on Apple news. So Let's Talk Apple is a monthly show.

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So once a month he talks about all of the Apple news that happened in the previous month.

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So at the end of August, he's going to talk about all the August news.

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, guess what's happening in September?

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Apple's announcing new iPhones and Apple watches and all that stuff.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So I would go subscribe right now so that you can listen to August episode of Let's Talk Apple.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And then at the end of September, you're going to get Bart's take on the September Apple news, which is always bigger.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And here's why you want to do this is because this is why Bart is smart in the way that he does his podcast.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_00]: By doing a monthly news podcast, it allows Bart to have time to see where these stories develop and where they go,

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_00]: especially if it happens earlier on in the month.

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_00]: But it gives a really good perspective because in the first couple of days of a story releasing,

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_00]: we're getting details and they just kind of trickle out.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And then we get the analysis and then we get whatever, maybe there's a result or maybe if it's a security thing,

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_00]: we find out what happened and all that stuff.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And from my perspective, this gives the podcast like this fully formed news story instead of getting little bits and pieces here and there.

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great podcast. I love it.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to put the links in the show notes. Go subscribe.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And then Bart mentioned that he is on Twitter.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to double stamp his social media accounts.

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I follow him on Twitter.

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really do much on Mastodon, but I do follow him on Twitter and Bart lives in Ireland,

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_00]: which is green and beautiful.

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I live in Arizona, which is beige.

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_00]: That's it. It's hot and beige.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_00]: That's how I describe Arizona, at least the part that I live in.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's always nice for me to open up X and see a picture that Bart has taken on his morning walks of these beautiful buildings in the town that he lives in or these beautiful nature shots.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_00]: So again, I'm going to put all of his links in the show notes.

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Please go follow Bart, support Bart.

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And if you do tell him, I said hi.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Okie doke everybody. That is it for me.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I hope you all had a wonderful weekend.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I hope you have a great week and on Friday we are talking news.