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[00:01:23] Hello everyone and welcome to Kila Wada podcast about electric vehicles, renewable energy,

[00:01:27] autonomous driving and much much more. My name is Bode and I am your host and this is another

[00:01:33] five-minute episode which is to say that there's no way in heck that this episode is

[00:01:38] going to be five minutes because we're going to get into the recent Tesla layoffs and if

[00:01:44] you're not familiar we're going to cover that but I have four pages of notes and I could have probably

[00:01:49] wrote another two or three pages on top of what I've already got so I'm going to try and keep this

[00:01:55] short but also I want to give you the details as we know them. So let's just start off the

[00:02:00] gate here. Tesla is laying off even more employees and we've talked about how they laid off 10

[00:02:06] percent of their workforce a few weeks ago it's estimated that they might lay off as much

[00:02:11] as 20 percent of their workforce and it sounds like they're eyeing I think it's Giga, Nevada for

[00:02:17] some layoffs as well so Tesla is getting aggressive with their layoffs like they lay

[00:02:21] it off their entire advertising team and that team was not in existence for very long.

[00:02:27] It's also not super surprising as you know Elon does not like advertising for whatever reason.

[00:02:33] I genuinely don't know why you would form a team and then completely annihilate it shortly after you

[00:02:41] formed it and by now many of you have probably heard that Tesla laid off their entire supercharger team.

[00:02:48] This news was broke by the information. Now I don't have a subscription to the information so I

[00:02:54] don't know what their article says so I'm going to be relying on other news outlets for

[00:02:59] information but I went through a lot of articles and they're all pretty much saying the same thing.

[00:03:07] So let's talk about what we know which is honestly not a lot because Tesla does not have a PR team.

[00:03:14] There's nobody to contact if you're part of the press to get an official statement from Tesla

[00:03:20] which sucks these layoffs are going to affect around 500 people some of these employees will be

[00:03:26] reassigned to different teams but included in the layoffs was Rebecca Tinucci who was not only in charge

[00:03:34] of the supercharger team but she also led the efforts to open up the NAX adapter to other

[00:03:41] automotive and charging companies and I think that we can all agree that she did a really good job

[00:03:47] in you know those efforts at the at the bare minimum. I don't know how she did the rest of her

[00:03:52] job but getting other auto companies automotive companies and charging companies to adapt this

[00:03:57] standard she did great. I want to talk a little bit of how employees were notified of the layoffs

[00:04:04] and it sounds like it was done by email. I'm not sure if this is true or not because I haven't

[00:04:09] seen anything that was official that said that this is how people were notified but it does track

[00:04:15] with how people said they were notified of layoffs a few weeks ago. According to reports

[00:04:20] Elon also reached out to Tesla managers and I don't know if the layoff emails were the same as the

[00:04:27] emails that Tesla sent to managers. I'm not sure about that it sounds like it was two

[00:04:31] different emails from what I can tell but in the email to managers Elon mentioned that layoffs

[00:04:36] were necessary and needed to be absolute hardcore so I have an excerpt of the email that

[00:04:44] Elon sent to managers but we don't know this is a reported email from Elon so we don't know for

[00:04:53] sure I don't want to be sued although I don't think Elon cares much about my podcasts since he

[00:04:57] probably doesn't know it exists but I want to be very careful with how I word this.

[00:05:03] So here's the excerpt hopefully these actions are making it clear that we need to be absolute

[00:05:09] hardcore about head count and cost reduction while some on exec staff are taking this seriously

[00:05:18] most are not yet doing so starting at 10 a.m. Eastern time on Tuesday I will ask for the

[00:05:25] resignation of any executive who retains more than three people who don't obviously pass the

[00:05:33] excellent necessary and trustworthy test I have been super clear about this so I read this as you're

[00:05:44] either going to lay off people or you're going to be laid off yourself and if you have more than

[00:05:49] three people on your team who don't pass this what seems like a very subjective test by the

[00:05:55] manager then you're going to get laid off and that honestly sucks because what if Elon thinks that you

[00:06:06] that these people suck but you know them to be really good reliable employees does that mean

[00:06:11] you're going to lose your job like that just seems really like a subjective metric

[00:06:20] that seems to be very I don't know that there just seems honestly this whole thing

[00:06:24] seems juvenile you know Elon talks about being hardcore being hardcore doesn't mean you have to

[00:06:30] be heartless you can still have compassion for the people who you employ you can still have

[00:06:37] compassion for the managers who have to make these decisions which are probably not fun ones to

[00:06:42] make to be honest with you not probably they're not fun to make next up I want to talk about

[00:06:49] just briefly I want to mention some of the executives who have left recently and I don't know

[00:06:56] why they have left they have all given different reasons so but I don't know the reason in their

[00:07:02] heart right and I don't want to assign that reason here so I'm just going to read this as

[00:07:08] they left let's not read too much into this and and be fair to them and to be fair to

[00:07:13] Elon and Tesla so first up we have Rowan Patel who was the head of public policy

[00:07:21] and this position head of public policy is actually being dissolved but I would imagine

[00:07:27] the head of public policy would have quite a bit of input when it comes to

[00:07:36] you know supercharger locations in terms of how they get set up and again we're going to

[00:07:41] talk about that here in a little bit next up we have Drew Beglino Drew was head of powertrain

[00:07:49] and energy engineering at Tesla he left to spend more time with his family we have Daniel Ho

[00:07:56] Daniel was the leader of vehicle programs and new product initiatives he was involved in

[00:08:02] model three model y and I believe cyber chart production so kind of an important person there

[00:08:08] Tesla and then we have Martin Viega who announced last week that he was leaving the company Martin

[00:08:15] is the VP of investor relations or at least was and then about a year ago we had Zach Kirkhorn

[00:08:23] who was Tesla's chief financial officer now I'm sure there's been other people who have left

[00:08:28] since then those are the notable people that have left recently with the exception of Zach

[00:08:33] who left about a year ago oh you know what we do have another person to mention in terms of people

[00:08:40] who have left um Anthony Thurston was the senior manager of cathode materials and manufacturing

[00:08:49] at Tesla it looks like Tesla laid off a pretty decent portion of that manufacturing team in

[00:08:57] Texas and they also let go Anthony Thurston again my point in giving these names and the people who

[00:09:04] have left is not so much to say hey look this is a problem it's more to say this might be relevant later

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[00:11:13] results may vary let's move on to how this will affect the supercharger network going forward

[00:11:23] in the honest answer there is we don't know but we do have some information given to us by elan

[00:11:29] and some other things that were uncovered by other news outlets so let's start with elan elan

[00:11:34] says that tesla will continue to operate and expand the supercharger network but at a much

[00:11:39] slower pace and they're gonna mostly focus on expanding existing supercharger sites

[00:11:46] and elan said this as a post on x like he's not answering journalist questions at least not

[00:11:54] up to this point anyway here's what he posted on x tesla still plans to grow the supercharger

[00:11:59] network just at a slower pace for new locations and more focus on 100 uptime and the expansion

[00:12:08] of existing locations so that was his post so i read this as they're going to continue

[00:12:15] building the supercharger network at new sites i want to address that just for a second it's going

[00:12:21] to be really hard when you don't have a team in place to negotiate those deals because you got to

[00:12:27] talk to the localities you might have you know different funds available from the government

[00:12:35] whether that's the state government or the federal government you have to negotiate deals

[00:12:39] with the local utility you have to negotiate deals with the property owner there's just a

[00:12:43] lot that goes into this in fact if you're curious about that in september of 2023 edwin jowell came

[00:12:50] on the show and i discussed with him his experience working for the tesla supercharger team he went into

[00:12:56] great detail the steps that he and the team had to go through to build supercharger locations

[00:13:01] in and around new york city uh it's a really interesting episode i'll put a link to it in

[00:13:06] the show notes but it's episode 423 it's really informative as to what these folks have to

[00:13:12] do in order just to build one supercharger location and that even goes into destination

[00:13:18] chargers he talked about that as well in some of the parking garages let's go ahead and get back

[00:13:24] to breaking down elan's tweet so we've talked about new locations uh again go go listen to

[00:13:30] edwin's episode it's really informative uh next he said that he wants to focus on uptime or

[00:13:37] tesla wants to focus on 100 uptime well that's reasonable and you don't want your sites going down

[00:13:45] that's awful and it doesn't sound like tesla's getting rid of any of the people who maintain that

[00:13:50] i don't know if they're tesla employees or if they're independent contractors who take care of that

[00:13:55] and then expansion of existing locations i'm going to use an example of a local supercharger

[00:14:02] station uh there there's a mall not too far away from where i live um and it has i think it's got like

[00:14:11] 10 stalls maybe a little bit more than that let's say that tesla wants to expand that location

[00:14:19] well tesla needs to make sure that one there's enough demand to warrant the cost of of expanding

[00:14:26] this location and i can tell you for a fact that there is uh it's very rarely empty at that particular

[00:14:35] location at least when i go it's almost always full or you're waiting for multiple people to

[00:14:42] have their turn before you get your turn and everybody's really cool based on some of the

[00:14:46] conversations i've had at the supercharger location a lot of these folks do uber or some sort of

[00:14:52] uh uh economy gig economy type driving and they charge up in the morning before they go out and

[00:14:59] and do their business and that's important and we'll find out why later uh next thing you have

[00:15:05] to do if you're tesla's you have to make sure with the property owner hey is this cool are you

[00:15:10] okay if we take up more spots more parking spots that could go to people who don't need to charge

[00:15:16] their ev and actually intend on going into the mall and having lunch and shopping and

[00:15:21] spending money actually at the mall instead of sitting in their car and watching netflix

[00:15:25] so you got to do that so you guys still got to get permission from the property owner

[00:15:30] you still have to make sure you have demand at that location next we need to make sure we have

[00:15:35] enough capacity for the to add more superchargers maybe you have enough for two more plugs but

[00:15:43] you don't have enough to add you know six or seven more so you got to talk to the local

[00:15:47] utility and negotiate with the utility how much it's going to cost to bring enough capacity in

[00:15:53] so you can install six or seven more plugs at that location or chargers at that location

[00:16:00] then you have to work with the local city and make sure that you are following their rules

[00:16:06] and you pull the the proper permits and even if you have enough capacity to install these chargers

[00:16:11] so you have enough electricity to provide to all of the the individual chargers at this location

[00:16:18] you still may need to pull permits you almost certainly will need to pull permits in any city

[00:16:25] that i've worked in or lived in because that's one of the ways cities make their money but they

[00:16:29] also want to make sure that you are doing things correctly so you still need to have people who

[00:16:36] can build these relationships and who can have these conversations with these different entities

[00:16:42] a little bit earlier i mentioned that some of the folks i spoke with at the supercharger location

[00:16:48] next to the small they had jobs doing gig economy type things like driving for uber or door dash

[00:16:56] or whatever many of these folks either live in an apartment complex or they're leasing their

[00:17:03] their vehicle from let's say uber for an example and they don't have a charger at home

[00:17:09] so they need to go to the supercharger to you know get ready for the day right it makes total sense

[00:17:16] well according to inside evs tesla has opted out of four planned supercharger sites in new york

[00:17:23] city one in the south bronx one in south brooklyn and two in queens and you may be asking yourself

[00:17:31] at this point what does this have to do with gig drivers well these four sites were supposed to

[00:17:37] help overcrowding at super uh supercharger locations in new york because of the uptick of gig drivers

[00:17:45] driving evs and teslas in particular so tesla was actually working with uber on where the

[00:17:53] superchargers should be located i don't know why i said that's so weird but um the announcement

[00:18:00] these sites were canceled came on the same morning as the layoffs were announced so

[00:18:07] no coincidence there i think we've covered that part pretty well let's talk a little bit about

[00:18:15] something elon said in the earnings call last week he said that if people don't realize that tesla

[00:18:23] is an ai company then they are very misinformed he said something to that effect right the fact of

[00:18:30] the matter is is that tesla is a car company that is involved with ai but they're still a car company

[00:18:36] if they want to be an ai company divest them you know divest yourself from the car side of the

[00:18:42] business and become an ai company but you are in fact not an ai company you are a car company

[00:18:49] who uses ai and ai will probably be very important in your future but if nobody wants to buy your cars

[00:18:56] or ride in your someday robo taxi or pay for full self-driving because you want to put all of your

[00:19:02] eggs in the ai basket you're not going to be a car company or an ai company for very long

[00:19:10] i do think that existing tesla customers future tesla customers automakers who signed on to

[00:19:19] you know put the next adapter in their vehicles i think they all have a right to be concerned like

[00:19:27] that makes a total incomplete sense i also think investors are going to be very concerned with

[00:19:34] this news so before i go too far down a rabbit hole let's talk about the automakers i would imagine

[00:19:41] that all of the automakers who have signed on to put the next port in their vehicles

[00:19:46] are having meetings they might even be having meetings between different automakers to decide

[00:19:52] whether they're going to stick with the next port or they're going to revert back to ccs1

[00:19:58] i if i if i was an automaker i would have serious concerns about this one of the

[00:20:04] concerns is as far as i know they're getting these parts directly from tesla so if elon has

[00:20:12] decided whether that was a thoughtful decision or not to get rid of the supercharger network

[00:20:18] what's to say that he won't decide to get rid of the um agreements that tesla has with these

[00:20:26] automakers and even if they get sued like the elon doesn't care about being sued he

[00:20:31] doesn't seem to like he cares anyway um yeah and then the other side of things is let's

[00:20:37] say you're rivion and your trucks are having issues at charging at a particular supercharger

[00:20:44] location who do you contact now there's nobody on the team who do you contact to make sure that

[00:20:51] this problem gets taken care of like you might be able to talk contact somebody from maintenance

[00:20:55] right but that maintenance person may or may not be able to contact somebody at tesla to

[00:21:02] get the actual problem solved if it's a software issue like who do you contact it's just

[00:21:07] there's a lot of questions on the automaker side one other thing that i should bring up actually

[00:21:13] is that the society of automotive engineers turned the next standard into sae j 3400 which i believe

[00:21:21] this means that this is open for other companies to use as they see fit i i don't know all the

[00:21:29] specifics on this i don't know if you know tesla holds the patent to a lot of this technology i

[00:21:35] don't know if a patent fee has to be paid if you don't buy the products directly from tesla

[00:21:40] i don't know how all of this works but it does seem to me since it is a sae standard that they

[00:21:47] should be able to get parts from other companies even though those companies may have to pay a

[00:21:52] licensing fee to tesla they should be able to get parts from other companies besides tesla

[00:21:57] i don't know this if this is true but that is something to consider

[00:22:02] uh let's see we will talk about investors next it'll be interesting to see how investors react

[00:22:08] to this news now i'm not talking about the tesla fans we're going to follow whatever elon says as

[00:22:14] gospel like i i follow a lot of these people on x and other sites and you know up until a couple

[00:22:23] days ago the supercharger network was the best thing since slice bread and now i'm hearing people

[00:22:28] say well the supercharger network wasn't that important well you know a little bit of that

[00:22:34] could be because there are fanboys of elon and they're just going to do whatever elon says

[00:22:40] another piece of that is because they have a financial interest in tesla because they're

[00:22:44] investors and they don't want to lose their money so i would take what those folks say

[00:22:50] with a grain of salt not to say that it's useless i would just you know there's probably a reason

[00:22:55] for them saying this these kind of things um but when i see investors i'm not really talking about

[00:23:01] those folks who are fans of the company i'm talking about people who invest a lot of their own

[00:23:08] port personal fortune or some organizations fortune into companies like tesla like whether

[00:23:15] they manage a hedge fund or retirement system or or maybe they're just individual investors who are

[00:23:23] very wealthy i wonder how they're going to take this news because they care about tesla making

[00:23:30] a profit and i would imagine in the short term that this will help tesla make a profit

[00:23:37] but i would imagine that these investors also care about the future health of the company

[00:23:44] and many of the people who invest at this level are much more qualified than me to determine whether

[00:23:50] or not this is a good decision or bad decision on tesla's part so we'll keep an eye on that especially

[00:23:56] when we get closer to tesla's investor day and see maybe if some of those people speak up

[00:24:03] and speak out or whether they're in an agreement for it uh that will definitely be interesting

[00:24:11] another thing that i think will be interesting in terms of the investor standpoint is whether

[00:24:16] or not this will play into elan receiving his multi-billion dollar uh pay package at one time it

[00:24:25] was worth something like 56 billion dollars and then they dropped down into the mid 40s

[00:24:31] but that's a lot of money i looked it up in teslas netted about 96 billion dollars in 2023

[00:24:38] if elan's pay package would say conservatively is worth 40 billion dollars today is it worth paying

[00:24:46] one person about half of what they netted in 2023 i don't have the answer to this i'm just asking

[00:24:52] the question like is elan worth that and the investors will have to you know uh vote on that

[00:24:59] to determine whether he is or isn't but that's i guess what i'm trying to say it's going to be

[00:25:04] interesting to see how investors will view these decisions and i've heard some people say that it's

[00:25:11] time to for the board to fire elan because they're not happy with this and i don't know if these

[00:25:17] people are investors or just media people or just people piping off on x but i i just don't

[00:25:23] see that happening and the reason why is because elan has picked his board for x like those folks

[00:25:30] are loyal to elan one of them is his brother several of them are his friends they're they're not going

[00:25:36] to fire him uh they're just not and the board is so stacked in elan's favor that it would be really

[00:25:44] hard uh to get anything done that elan didn't want to have done uh in terms of the board

[00:25:52] approving it so you know that's that's the investor side of things more importantly

[00:25:57] it's talking about the customers uh i think it's totally legitimate if somebody's concerned that

[00:26:04] the supercharger network will not be maintained efficiently um and whether that's because

[00:26:12] you know there's a problem and there's nobody there to let the maintenance people know that

[00:26:16] there's a problem that you know i don't know exactly how the tesla system works on the back

[00:26:21] end when there's an issue with the the uh superchargers but i'm curious as to how

[00:26:29] the supercharger network is going to do when tesla's technology falls behind

[00:26:36] and some people are arguing that tesla's technology is already behind because you

[00:26:40] can't charge you know a hunday's 800 volt architecture on it you can't really charge

[00:26:45] the take-can on it and take full advantage of the speeds that the take-can can accept in terms of

[00:26:51] charging and even some people have said that the cyber truck is having issues charging if it's

[00:26:56] below a certain percentage so you know their own product can't effectively charge on v3

[00:27:03] superchargers and v2 forget about it it's just just going to be uh it's just going to be slower

[00:27:10] if elon has completely gutted the team uh and or just completely obliterated the team

[00:27:17] that's supposed to build the new technology what what happens next like uh eventually those

[00:27:26] supercharger locations are not going to be sought after because they're going to be old

[00:27:32] technology who in tesla is going to bring us you know version four which they're currently

[00:27:37] working on allegedly and version five of the supercharger i i simply don't know and then that

[00:27:44] even goes to like the mega chargers where the for the semi trucks you know what's going to happen

[00:27:52] if those things can't be deployed i i don't know there's just a lot of questions in terms of that

[00:27:58] but as far as customers go the customers care that they are paying a fair price they pair

[00:28:03] they care that the supercharger is up and is in a convenient location for them

[00:28:10] and hopefully you know is actually charging at a decent speed providing electricity at a decent

[00:28:16] speed but the biggest thing i guess what i'm trying to say here is the the biggest thing

[00:28:20] is the supercharger network is a benefit to customers and quite frankly it helps tesla

[00:28:26] cars because when somebody goes to uh let's say hunday hunday hunday sort if somebody goes

[00:28:37] to hunday and they say hey i want to buy a car can you show me all the places that i can charge

[00:28:42] and the hunday person pulls up all of the you know blink electrify america and all these other

[00:28:49] places that they could charge and then the person does a little bit more research and says oh well

[00:28:54] this one's down a lot of the time and this one over here isn't you know fast enough and all that

[00:29:00] other stuff i don't know that new eevee buyers are really disorganized but let's just say they are

[00:29:07] so we have our very organized uh buyer eevee buyer and they say you know what i'm going to check out

[00:29:14] what tesla has to offer because i know how they have the supercharger network so they go and

[00:29:18] they ask their friend and their friend tells them all the good things about the supercharger

[00:29:21] network maybe they if they're being honest they tell them some of the negative things they've experienced

[00:29:25] but overall it's probably a positive uh uh interaction that's today a year and a half two

[00:29:33] years from now what happens if that current tesla owner has so many negative experiences

[00:29:40] that he can't recommend the car to his friend that is a problem for tesla like one of the

[00:29:47] reasons why i bought a tesla honestly is because of the supercharger network that was a big reason

[00:29:53] because i wanted to be able to take little road trips to california and whatever and not encounter

[00:30:01] down uh charging uh because i looked really strongly i looked at the ionic six i looked at

[00:30:07] the ionic five i looked a little bit at the keya eevee six um i did look at the rivion but

[00:30:13] i couldn't afford it but yeah there was lots of lots of different companies that i thought about

[00:30:18] before going with the model y but in the end i like the the software that's in my tesla and

[00:30:25] i wanted that supercharger network so that was important to me and i would imagine that's important

[00:30:31] to other people and i would imagine that that helps tesla sell cars if they can't maintain

[00:30:37] that trust i think that's going to be a problem for tesla all right to this point we've talked

[00:30:43] about a lot of things so i just want to end on some speculation on my side okay um first i'm

[00:30:52] gonna say don't assume everything is going to fall apart just because i mentioned the negative

[00:30:59] side of things earlier and a bunch of other people are saying it's all gonna fall apart

[00:31:04] elon does very weird things and most of the time they seem to sort themselves out

[00:31:08] and i don't know if they sort themselves out because uh elon was right or if somebody in

[00:31:15] the background is cleaning up elon's mess or elon actually recognizes that he made a mistake

[00:31:20] and it made changes i'm sure it's a combination of all of those things but my point is more

[00:31:26] often than not uh elon does land on his feet it might be a messy landing and it might be a terrifying

[00:31:34] fall but he does seem to land on his feet and it doesn't hurt that he has a pile of money to land

[00:31:40] on to soften the blow of those mistakes honestly uh let's see um okay so here's my speculation

[00:31:48] in terms of what tesla may be doing or what they could do in the future now i don't know

[00:31:54] if they will do this i'm not saying they will i'm just saying this is what i can see um i can see a

[00:32:01] world where tesla provides the evse dc fast charging equipment and the software and they sell it to

[00:32:10] other companies and those other companies deploy it and operate it on whatever sites they want to

[00:32:15] because you know tesla's already done this with other companies i think it was bp that they

[00:32:19] sold a bunch of uh super chargers too so it's not out of the realm that tesla's like you know

[00:32:26] we'll design and build them and you folks go out there and uh you know deploy them and operate them

[00:32:34] and maybe you give us a little bit of a cut maybe you don't i don't know exactly how those deals

[00:32:37] would end up working out but uh all of that relies on everything i just said relies on tesla

[00:32:45] not laying off the people who are in charge of designing uh next-gen super chargers you know

[00:32:54] i don't know honestly don't know if they they laid those folks off or not i might have said earlier

[00:32:59] i can't remember that they were included in the layoffs honestly i don't know we haven't heard

[00:33:04] one way or the other on that but if those people look and see let's say they weren't laid

[00:33:10] off they look and see what happened to the super charger team do you think someone designing

[00:33:16] super chargers wouldn't be like you know what i think i'm going to go work for this other company

[00:33:21] over here you know if somebody still worked for tesla and they saw this happening i think they

[00:33:25] would be foolish not to check out uh other opportunities let's say so that's something

[00:33:32] i think tesla could do in the not too distant future right just become a distributor and manufacture

[00:33:42] of dc fast chargers and they don't they don't you know really operate their own stuff anymore at

[00:33:47] least they're not going to make it any better the other thing that i think could happen and this

[00:33:51] is extraordinarily possible is that these folks who are who worked for tesla have a lot of domain

[00:34:00] knowledge in terms of setting up and deploying super charger networks or dc fast charging networks

[00:34:07] some of these folks are going to go work for other companies there's another certain percentage of

[00:34:13] these folks who are going to start their own companies and you know i i believe that there

[00:34:20] is money out there from investors especially with the nevy funds that are available

[00:34:25] for these folks to go and set up new companies whether that's you know helping other third party

[00:34:32] companies deploy their dc fast charging networks or they're setting up their own dc fast charging

[00:34:42] company over the next two or three years i do think we're going to see a couple of companies

[00:34:49] founded by former members of this team all right i actually have more stuff i thought this

[00:34:54] would be about a 20 minute show turns out it's 32 minutes but the other stuff i have isn't that

[00:34:59] important so i'm just going to go ahead and in this here i will say that this is the second

[00:35:05] long show of the week so thursday's show will be around five minutes friday's show will be around

[00:35:10] five minutes because uh yeah this was a lot longer than i thought it was going to be

[00:35:15] all right everybody if you want to email me you can it's bodi b o d i e at nine when

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[00:35:37] little experiment that i'm doing right now well quite a few people emailed in and said hey yeah

[00:35:41] i love short shows that's great good job um and then i made one short show in two long

[00:35:47] shows to this point so again thursday and friday shows should be pretty short sorry about that

[00:35:54] all right everybody i'm done dragging this out i will chat with you tomorrow

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